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Serious Web Developer Looking For Job Ops.
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:51 am
by pack tloss
Hi,
I'm an experienced programmer in HTML, SHTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, MySQL Databasing. I'm currently looking for a professional contractor that is willing to contract work in these fields to me.
I've been working with computers for eight-nine years and I'm very well rounded. Even though I can't say I'm an expert in everything, I can tell you I know alittle about most.
Instead of posting you an online portfolio that shows you all the programming work I've done in the past--I'd rather have the potential contractor to contact me (see bottom of the post) and we can discuss everything relating to work, to references.
I'm on the computer an average of 70 hours per week. With an average of 50 dedicated to programming. I've been known to go above and beyond when a problem occurs.
I'm really only looking for large commitments, and I'm also not willing to work for $15 an hour. I've learned--if you want something done, and done right, it'll cost you.
The reason why you should choose someone like me, over others is because of how dedicated I am to getting the job done, and how maticulous I am with coding. With a large sum of other programmers, they will rush through a job, just so they can get paid.
Contant Information:
AIM: Pack tloss
ICQ: 5087851
E-MAIL:
mike@webprosys.com
MSN:
im_the_whitey@hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:51 am
by William
16 an hour thats ALOT... For an hour your NEVER going to get anyone... And rushing just to get money.... Well maby the onse that want money but some of us out here like programing more then the money just letting yuo knwo you might want to lower the price

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:01 am
by pack tloss
Why would I lower the price?
People who "do coding for fun" are doing it for just that reason. I code to gain experience, and to pay for living expenses.
I only charge $40/hour.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:37 am
by microthick
Don't mean to hijack a thread, but I'd just like to comment on Viper's comments.
I've learned that low-balling (less than $15/hour) to get freelance gigs just isn't worth it in the end.
The customer walks away thinking his end project was created by an amateur and would never respect it as much as he would a project that cost him double.
The programmer never works as hard because he's being paid chicken feed. Test cases are never as thorough, code isn't as tight as it could be, etc.
I've only been coding freelance for less than half a year, but since that time, I've raised my hourly rate by 50% and plan on raising it another 50% by the time I have my next client.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:12 am
by Saethyr
I have to agree with thick on this one. I have seen both sides of the fence now, I was charging 12$ an hour for freelance gigs and getting little to no hits on it, now I charge substatially more then that and have almost more work then I can handle. I have had to turn people away. I now tell people when they ask, charge what you believe you are worth.
Saethyr
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:13 am
by infolock
aye, i started out asking 1000$ for the site alone for my customer, though i have giving them a CMS database-driven site with other features...
15$ an hour in the US is like minimum wage in the pc field.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:37 pm
by pack tloss
What kind of hourly rate do you guys have? You know mine is at $40, which will go up in 3-5 months.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:54 pm
by Saethyr
I bid by the project usually. Generally breaks down between 40 and 65 an hour depending on what they are having me do.
Saethyr
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:56 pm
by microthick
I'm not ready to ask for $40/hr. I don't feel I have a portfolio that can back up that rate.
My current clients are charged between $10/hr to $25/hr, depending on how long I've been working with them. Old clients I'm charging less cuz I don't have the heart to ask for more and the amount I am charging them is what I originally charged them when I first started.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:36 pm
by Chambrln
If you have been with the company for a while and your skill level has obviously improved I would probably consider asking for a raise or consider leaving the company to work for someplace that will pay you for what you are worth. I have been in too many positions over time where they take advantage of the hard work you are willing to put into your work. They don't usually care that you aren't getting paid what you are worth. They are making money off of you.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:39 pm
by m3mn0n
From my experience as a freelancer so far, my clients dislike hourly rates. They have the idea freelancers in general (not just me) will take a longer time on the work to rack up the cost. So I never give an hourly rate. Simpy a per project fee, depending on my current work load, other offered jobs, and how extensive a particular project is.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:15 pm
by pack tloss
Still, how do you predict how much a project will cost?
I charge $40/hour but I give the quote for teh whole project.
125 Hours X $40 = My Quote.
I generally work as fast as I can.. I don't like doing the same project for too long (when it could've been done earlier).
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:23 am
by dyconsulting
If you consider yourself a programer, you should charge as one. I have never heard of programer who is paid $15-$20/hr.
HTML Developers are paid about that much.
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:20 am
by Saethyr
I see it like this, people follow the old saying "you get what you pay for"
People expect to pay more for quality.
I also do not give an hourly rate per se as I bid a job as a whole, but I do have an hourly programming rate, designing rate, etc.. this allow you to make an accurate bid to your customer.
My opinion is charge what you think your worth, go as fast as possible while still creating a good solid program, if anything overbid a job, then when you come in under, you have a customer for life.
People expect to pay obscene amounts of money for say a web based application, it's the nature of the beast, goto a huge programming company and have it done in C++ or something along those lines and see what it costs.
I am not saying rob your customer blind, but charge them for your work, programming is not something most people can grasp let alone do themselves. I have always been told by hardware gurus and software people, we, programmers, are a special breed. We think automatically outside the box and find 15 different ways to solve a problem and generally pick the quickest, cheapest, and best way to fix it. I believe that we are gifted with a thought process that most human beings do not posses and should therefore be compensated for it
So whats the point of my rant? If you believe your work is worth 10$, charge 10$ if you think it's worth 150$ charge 150$ but just don't rip off your customers or do a shotty job just because your charging a low rate, this causes the general public not to trust programmers and makes us all look like shifty thieves.
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Saethyr
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:50 am
by pack tloss
Saethyr...
It also gets a lot of people expecting to do it for cheaper than normal.
That's why some people have to charge $10 an hour, because those are the only clients that they can find.