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Experienced and reliable PHP coder needed (paid project)

Post by david-plsthx »

Hello,

I was referred to the DevNetwork Forums from a friend after having a terrible experience over at another web programming/design forum with unreliable coders.

Anyway, here is the project:

The site is PlsThx (Please Thanks) @ http://www.plsthx.com and is very similiar to the likes of eBaumsWorld.com

The previous coder did about 90% of the work with his own custom script but as it turns out, the whole thing is extremely sloppy and needs massive re-working. SO, your job would be to re-code the site (starting fresh, not re-working the code that is already there). The design side of things is already on the site and almost everything is working properly, just too messy to be efficient. I would need a good admin panel to login to to easily update the site.

Pay: $150 USD via PayPal
Deadline: I'm looking to have this project finished in about a week (or less, definitely a plus). Which doesn't give you too much time, but on the flipside, everything is basically there for you.

Requirements: Absolutely must be an experienced coder with past projects and most of all MUST BE RELIABLE!

If interested, please email, PM, or send me an IM on AIM. Thanks in advance! :)

- David

email: altschul@gmail.com
AOL IM: santoalt5
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Could you be more specific about the project. Would the code for the entire website need to be rewritten? What kind of database are you using? What kind of skills are you looking for (HTML, CSS, Javascript, XHTML, XML, XSLT, etc. etc.)?

Depending on how much work your project is, I would think US$150 is not much at all - you will have to fork out more if you want a professional and not a script kiddie.
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Post by david-plsthx »

The site is already coded in HTML with a good CSS. That part of the site is fine. The PHP is what is needed and the frontend is pretty much done. The majority of the site is simply uploading movies/pictures/text and indexing them along with a simple front page news script.

I've already paid out well over a few hundred to very unreliable coders who have taken months of my time with little to show. That's why I'm out in the cold on the $150 pricepoint.
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david-plsthx wrote:I've already paid out well over a few hundred to very unreliable coders who have taken months of my time with little to show. That's why I'm out in the cold on the $150 pricepoint.
well yes, sorry that happend to you but you cant expect a professional who gets his/her bread & butter from this work to do it for this much :?, for most, this is just over 3hrs pay.
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Post by Trenchant »

What everyone else has said is correct. You wont get a good job with $150. If you go and hire another guy for only $150 your just gonna get slapped in the face again.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything I'm just saying; you will get a bad job out of $150.
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Post by 3z3k3l »

Unfortuantly David, this is the majority of the responses you will get unless you go to Rentacoder.com or php-freelancer.com.

The demise of Coding lays in the hands of Third World countries who can speak english.

$150.00 can translate into a months wages in India, and Philippines...notice where IT Outsourcing is going? Not saying that is good, but as a small business I am looking to get the most return on $, so if Ali Ababa in India can do the code for 1/3rd the price as I can get it done in the US or UK then its a no brainer for me.

The only barrier is language and complex job completions, because English or American ;) is not thier first language, getting them to understand what you need can be quite a challenge.

I am leaning the hard way. I am a small business that needs work done.

I pay$150-$500 for just Postnuke Modules not even whole sites.

To keep you from getting screwed in the future you need to have Escrow and Arbirtration...if not your doomed to go on the word of the coder and repeat your past. Sign up for Rentacoder.com or php-freelance.com

It ultimately keeps you both safe.

Good luck.
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Post by patrikG »

3z3k3l wrote:The demise of Coding lays in the hands of Third World countries who can speak english.
The demise of coding lies with bad coders. You will find bad coders everywhere.
Outsourcing, which is what you are moaning about, is an economic question.

If you want to seriously tell me that every coder in the rich western countries is great and every coders in poorer countries is bad, you qualify for racism.

I suggest you re-think your stated position and edit your post before I do it (2 days from now) as racism is not tolerated on this forum.
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Post by 3z3k3l »

patrikG wrote:
3z3k3l wrote:The demise of Coding lays in the hands of Third World countries who can speak english.
The demise of coding lies with bad coders. You will find bad coders everywhere.
Outsourcing, which is what you are moaning about, is an economic question.
And simple arethmetics such as "high price = high quality" are very misleading.

If you want to seriously tell me that every coder in the rich western countries is great and every coders in poorer countries is bad, you qualify for racism.

I suggest you edit your post before I do it (2 days).
I think you missing the point and taking what I am saying out of context.

"The demise of coding lies with bad coders."- I strongly disagree, coming from a company where they just laid off over 200 "Coders" and application developers because they puchased an Indiain company with the same amount of devleopers...for half the operating expense and price as thier current staff, I can see the writing on the wall.

"If you want to seriously tell me that every coder in the rich western countries is great and every coders in poorer countries is bad,"

-That is not what I am saying at all, I am saying that rich western cultures are less willing to do work for $150 whether they are good or bad, then a good or bad coder in India, (insert 3rd world country who's people are learning coding languages).

"And simple arethmetics such as "high price = high quality" are very misleading."
- obviously you are very mislead, "high price=I will do it" was what I was eluding too. I did not use the word "Quality" once in my post nor did I infer that.
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Post by patrikG »

3z3k3l wrote: I think you missing the point and taking what I am saying out of context.

"The demise of coding lies with bad coders."- I strongly disagree, coming from a company where they just laid off over 200 "Coders" and application developers because they puchased an Indiain company with the same amount of devleopers...for half the operating expense and price as thier current staff, I can see the writing on the wall.
Then that was an economic decision and has nothing to do with "the demise of coding".
3z3k3l wrote: "If you want to seriously tell me that every coder in the rich western countries is great and every coders in poorer countries is bad,"

-That is not what I am saying at all, I am saying that rich western cultures are less willing to do work for $150 whether they are good or bad, then a good or bad coder in India, (insert 3rd world country who's people are learning coding languages).
I agree - but what you are bemoaning is not "the demise of coding", but outsourcing. As I said in my original post in reply to yours: economics and coding are two very different pairs of shoes.
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Post by 3z3k3l »

I suggest you re-think your stated position and edit your post before I do it (2 days from now) as racism is not tolerated on this forum
LOL! Racist?

I am stating the obvious, No Coder who has to eat in America will want to work on a Job for $150 that could potentially take him a ton of hours...just read above..."150$ is barely 3 hours of work..." Would this person take this job if it required him 40 hours of work? No, I think not ...why? Because he can't afford too. it doesn't make sense too.

now, lets take Abu for example in India $150 = well over 1 weeks worth of salary. Would he take that same job? Yes! why because he could do 40 hours of work and still be able to eat in the mean time.

Anytime you have unregulated competition, if the product/service is the same, the less expensive solution will win. That is why USA puts heavy import taxes on certain products that compete with American products. It protects the lively hood of the people who live in America where it costs more to make the same thing.

But with outsourceing, there is no such penalty. That is why Businesses are flocking to it.

Also your comment:
"And simple arethmetics such as "high price = high quality" are very misleading. " must be directed towards Patrikg because he was the one that said:

"I would think US$150 is not much at all - you will have to fork out more if you want a professional and not a script kiddie."
Right?
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Post by 3z3k3l »


I agree - but what you are bemoaning is not "the demise of coding", but outsourcing. As I said in my original post in reply to yours: economics and coding are two very different pairs of shoes.
In my mind the demise of coding was the economic affects of outsourcing on coders in Western Countries.

I didn't see them as seperate issues because I didn't know there was a "demise of coding" going on somewhere else, that is how I saw it.

Sorry for the confusion
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Post by 3z3k3l »

ahh, I see what you mean now.

What I said was: "demise of coding "- but what I meshed together was the demise of Coders who get paid high $$$ an hour for coding. I didn't mean the actual work of "coding" was going a way, but rather the people who get paid well to do it may be losing out soon.
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Post by John Cartwright »

After reading this, I forgot what the topic was..... :twisted:
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Post by d3ad1ysp0rk »

Ezekel, please learn how to edit your posts to reflect your new conclusions instead of adding post after post. It isn't AIM, nor a blog, it's a forum. Thank you.
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