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Hello,

United Developers project for freelancers and part-timers:

http://www.unidevpro.com

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its crap. purely crap. cant even read the text on the page.
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Post by Chris Corbyn »

Hmmm... it's all a bit vague even though there's a lot to read. psychotomus is right about the text by the way (I'm reading it in FF on a *nix and it makes my eyes go funny).

Good luck to you all the same!
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Yes it is crab , that is why urgent help is needed

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not to floor the idea, but if you are going to push such a project you will need much more clarified text and structure (and english grammar too). it sounds like it could be a serious project but is quickly floored by the fact that even I could pull such text together and screw it up badly.
the text doesn't inform anything more than what you would pretty much expect from any such text. you need to be more in-depth and "prefessional" about it you ask me when it comes to large projects and revenue.

also I would say, after doing some projects on my own, I would very much like a Your CV if you are going to have any major roll in this as dedicating oneself to such a project requires a little insurance, also for what members that will be brought in (skill, dedication etc).

and yet, I would say for not having a team you are over-scaling it a little as you have already planned for 4-5 teams, without a single (very few) applicant (I would guess for now). I would pretty much also guess that you would be lucky if you would even find one graphics artist or project manager with "sufficient" skill and dedication for this project at this stage. people are pretty happy nowadays if they could get together a small team of a few sufficiently skilled members.

I recently formed a team of 3 including myself, and we three are sure of what we do and are dedicated, but yet, I've tried this building a team like this for over half a year without any satisfying result, even though they could have the necessary skill, you need dedication (most important), without dedication even the best artist is useless and would make the team suffer.

I'm not saying you should revise your thinking, but if this was me, I would settle for a small team of 3-4 members at a start which have been more or less handpicked which you know can prove their skill (as you might've seen on forums, some people are always trying to show off with advanced solutions... solutions which I would trash instantly because of their poor knowledge, coding PHP isn't all, it requires logical thinking/problem solving etc), especially! if you don't have any major team management skill yourself, which I assure you do need if you are going to pull such a thing together, even with friends it is hard to keep everything smooth.

You probably know most of this, but have it in mind, don't plan for a possible future before you actually have any thing, one can have visions, but the greater visions, the harder they are to satisfy and the harder it is to reach them.

EDIT: the task information should also be much more complete, saying what is on whose shoulders and so on, programmer, should he take care of programming the layout? should be done by the graphics artist? and so on, a programmer could be all to nothing.
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You should also be cautious for having shared salary based on what people do, as things can be done in many ways, good or bad, should bad be as profitable as good? what is worth what, measuring team could bring slackers. who decides and so on? this is a very likely cause for a potential team brawl.
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Post by unidevpro »

The basic idea of the project os collaboration not Criticism. Means that for example at this naiive web page we got over 10 feedback, But with no positive action.

We expect that instead of saying
"the page grammar is bad" , feedback such as "the corrections to the page grammar are:"

And for anything else you can directly send the Appropriate suggestions, we welcome evey effort.
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Trying reading the other 95% then :P
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Post by unidevpro »

Hello,
I got help modifying the temp. website it shall be modified entirely in 24 Hrs.

Syranide: Sure If I want the project to be successful I shall read everything.

Thanks for your support.
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Post by malcolmboston »

im quite interested in this project, what do i need to do?
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unidevpro wrote:The basic idea of the project os collaboration not Criticism. Means that for example at this naiive web page we got over 10 feedback, But with no positive action.

We expect that instead of saying
"the page grammar is bad" , feedback such as "the corrections to the page grammar are:"

And for anything else you can directly send the Appropriate suggestions, we welcome evey effort.
The idea is nice, unidevpro, but the execution is poor. Criticism as such is not necessarily a bad thing and Syranide was most certainly constructive in his criticism.

If you seek to collaborate with people, you should choose quality over quantity every inch of the way. That begins with your website - simply because the virtue of having a good idea by itself doesn't count much on the internet, you have to communicate that in many ways and on many levels.
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Post by unidevpro »

Thank you all for your comments. You are 100% right, also syranide.

I guess the start from scratch idea is not preferable ,I should started with a base then begins asking for contribution.

But as the project is 3 Days old, I am not too late to modify my thoughts

malcolmboston: Please use the email address at the website ,so I can send you more details.


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A comment on the new site... the text says:
"As a general guidance a number of 50 members shall work together for this project."

(50 could be more than programmers, but considering programming really is the heavy task for PHP-projects I'm assuming you mean programmers, but alter the values at your wish, my statement still stands, this also applies to other professions aside programming)

Are you really sure? I would say, doing that over the internet, keeping everyone working independently would be impossible on such a relatively small project (even more on a larger project). What I'm saying is, look at any major game and you might see a few programmers, not 50, not working over the internet, not being more or less strangers, working on a huge project, and likely having an experienced project manager. (and still things go wrong for them time to time)

I'm not saying what you should and don't but seriously, I pulled together my very official thumbnailer with modulesupport, cropping, caching etc in less than 2 weeks. If you are going to get 50 people to do that task, you will end up making it a year without any progress. One programmer can do the job of 20 if he is skilled and the others are decent, you mustn't forget that a member just doesn't provide more man power, but also requires communication, tasks, information and so on.

You must remember, you can't have more programmers than there are tasks/classes/sections, a programmer needs an interface for what he is going to do. Are you saying you can even come up with 50 of those? Programmers should not really share the same task unless it is a big task, the cost of having programmers read each others code, understand it, divide the time and so on is huge, and will on such a small project end up making things take more time.

What I mean is, if you haven't ever been the leader of a group, you will not for a second be able to make this without getting left alone. E.g., create a team of 10, friends you know, that do their job, and I can promise you that still, you will still be having a hard time keeping it all together. Do not be mistaken about the role as a team/project leader, it is very very complicated just for small groups, you are in charge of it all, and people count on you, there is not much room for mistakes if you want to keep your team on your side.

I'm guessing that if you got 3 programmers, sufficiently skilled and handpicked (as patrikG said) they would do the job of all your 50 much much better.

I hope you take all of this as constructive criticism, but if you have never been the leader of a large or small group (and I don't mean a clan e.g.), then you really do need to go to a couple sessions and/or get more experience if you are ever going to make something like this work (especially if you are aiming at having more than 50 members), and trust me, I've screwed up pretty good when I just had a small group of a few trusted/reliable people.
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Post by unidevpro »

Hello,

Syranide: I have taken care of all of your points, working in such a project is such a fun, hope you all guys join us.

Anyway, What line of products shall we begin with. Also What shall we do to attract more people and get them involved.

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