[Job] PHP Developer Needed - Online
Moderator: General Moderators
Rubbish. MySpace is just a website. It's become very popular, but the actual premise of writing a community network website is very basic, and actually quite easy. Getting it to be as popular as MySpace is unlikely, but you'll never know until you try.Ree wrote:You have to understand what you are thinking about is completely unreal.
First off, to everyone who is telling you not to try, go suck an egg.
Just because a site is large, well-established, and well-funded does *not* mean it is untouchable. Google was a student project that started on *two* computers. It now is the #1 search engine. Build a better product, and you'll be rich. Period.
Now, with that said, some of the comments do have value. For example, knowing no php makes it rather challenging to take on a best-of-class solution. Having a low (or no) budget also makes it more challenging. And of course, the lock-in of users is yet again, also very challenging.
Thats not to say any of those are impossible. In fact, there is one solution that helps with all three: a collaborative opensource project.
Opensource projects allow you to harness the work of many programmers together, at little or no cost. Suddenly, instead of "How much php do I know", its "How much php does the community know". Thats a huge difference. Budget suddenly becomes less important, because sponsors and programmers can donate hosting, infrastructure, and more.
Best of all, an opensource project also stands a better than average chance of breaking vendor lock-in. By embracing better ideals (opensource, accessibility, clear and open administration), you will attract a different class of users. That class (first adopters) will drive other users in, eventually shifting the equation until the tipping point falls over.
Its not an impossible task. It is an enormously difficult, challenging, and long-term goal.
Just because a site is large, well-established, and well-funded does *not* mean it is untouchable. Google was a student project that started on *two* computers. It now is the #1 search engine. Build a better product, and you'll be rich. Period.
Now, with that said, some of the comments do have value. For example, knowing no php makes it rather challenging to take on a best-of-class solution. Having a low (or no) budget also makes it more challenging. And of course, the lock-in of users is yet again, also very challenging.
Thats not to say any of those are impossible. In fact, there is one solution that helps with all three: a collaborative opensource project.
Opensource projects allow you to harness the work of many programmers together, at little or no cost. Suddenly, instead of "How much php do I know", its "How much php does the community know". Thats a huge difference. Budget suddenly becomes less important, because sponsors and programmers can donate hosting, infrastructure, and more.
Best of all, an opensource project also stands a better than average chance of breaking vendor lock-in. By embracing better ideals (opensource, accessibility, clear and open administration), you will attract a different class of users. That class (first adopters) will drive other users in, eventually shifting the equation until the tipping point falls over.
Its not an impossible task. It is an enormously difficult, challenging, and long-term goal.
I've been in discussions about starting an opensource project for a myspace competitor with several other developers. Drop me a pm, and when we get started, I'll make sure you get a message about it.realestninja wrote:I suppose no one wants to help.
It is possible. It is improbable, but it is absolutely possible.Ree wrote:onion2k, just think what you've just said. It's just a website. Damn right.The guy has no php skills and wants someone to teach him over AOL! Do you really believe that someone requesting this could build a fully functional and secure enough website of myspace.com caliber? NOT possible.
Stop being a roadblock. If you can't help, then move on to other threads. Others can, and are offering to.
I can't believe you're so naive. Never anything comes out of nowhere just like that.Roja wrote:It is possible. It is improbable, but it is absolutely possible.Ree wrote:onion2k, just think what you've just said. It's just a website. Damn right.The guy has no php skills and wants someone to teach him over AOL! Do you really believe that someone requesting this could build a fully functional and secure enough website of myspace.com caliber? NOT possible.
It's not me being a roadblock, it's the guy's knowledge.Roja wrote: Stop being a roadblock.
Seriously, realestninja, if you want to code something like myspace that would not collapse after a month, basic php knowledge and a couple of 'lessons-to-get-you-started' over instant messenger by someone who may have little (or even false) knowledge himself won't be enough. It just doesn't happen this way. Try simple things first, read, fail, then read again, learn and later move on to more sophisticated stuff.
Google did. QLink (which later became AOL) did. So did Flickr.Ree wrote:I can't believe you're so naive. Never anything comes out of nowhere just like that.
I'm not the one being naive - you are. You apparently have little knowlege of how many businesses were started with little more than hope and an idea. Microsoft? HP? Seriously, do some research before claiming someone else is naive.
Stop being negative. Either help, or stop posting in this thread. You've done *nothing* to help.
He isn't the only person interested in doing this sort of thing. We've had a dozen discussions about it in the last two months on these forums! Just because he doesn't have the skill (today) to program the ENTIRE thing himself does not mean he has zero value.Ree wrote:It's not me being a roadblock, it's the guy's knowledge.Roja wrote:Stop being a roadblock.
For me, the best way for me to learn is to work on something I love. Thats what he wants to do. If you don't want to help him, find another thread to help with.Ree wrote:Seriously, realestninja, if you want to code something like myspace that would not collapse after a month, basic php knowledge and a couple of 'lessons-to-get-you-started' over instant messenger by someone who may have little (or even false) knowledge himself won't be enough. It just doesn't happen this way. Try simple things first, read, fail, then read again, learn and later move on to more sophisticated stuff.
-
d3ad1ysp0rk
- Forum Donator
- Posts: 1661
- Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:31 pm
- Location: Maine, USA
I don't know about the whole being scaled up part.. I think they just kept adding more servers and hoping for the best.onion2k wrote:Like it or not, MySpace is just a website. It's a very basic CMS and messaging system that's been scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users. That's all there is to it.Ree wrote:It's just a website. Damn right.
- nickman013
- Forum Regular
- Posts: 764
- Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:02 am
- Location: Long Island, New York
-
d3ad1ysp0rk
- Forum Donator
- Posts: 1661
- Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:31 pm
- Location: Maine, USA
That's how I scale things up.d3ad1ysp0rk wrote:I don't know about the whole being scaled up part.. I think they just kept adding more servers and hoping for the best.onion2k wrote:Like it or not, MySpace is just a website. It's a very basic CMS and messaging system that's been scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users. That's all there is to it.Ree wrote:It's just a website. Damn right.
-
d3ad1ysp0rk
- Forum Donator
- Posts: 1661
- Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:31 pm
- Location: Maine, USA
Marketing/design suggestion:
http://hivenet.ks2.ru/en/bloggr.html
http://hivenet.ks2.ru/en/bloggr.html