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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:19 am
by Ree
You have to understand what you are thinking about is completely unreal.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:18 am
by onion2k
Ree wrote:You have to understand what you are thinking about is completely unreal.
Rubbish. MySpace is just a website. It's become very popular, but the actual premise of writing a community network website is very basic, and actually quite easy. Getting it to be as popular as MySpace is unlikely, but you'll never know until you try.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:14 am
by Roja
First off, to everyone who is telling you not to try, go suck an egg.

Just because a site is large, well-established, and well-funded does *not* mean it is untouchable. Google was a student project that started on *two* computers. It now is the #1 search engine. Build a better product, and you'll be rich. Period.

Now, with that said, some of the comments do have value. For example, knowing no php makes it rather challenging to take on a best-of-class solution. Having a low (or no) budget also makes it more challenging. And of course, the lock-in of users is yet again, also very challenging.

Thats not to say any of those are impossible. In fact, there is one solution that helps with all three: a collaborative opensource project.

Opensource projects allow you to harness the work of many programmers together, at little or no cost. Suddenly, instead of "How much php do I know", its "How much php does the community know". Thats a huge difference. Budget suddenly becomes less important, because sponsors and programmers can donate hosting, infrastructure, and more.

Best of all, an opensource project also stands a better than average chance of breaking vendor lock-in. By embracing better ideals (opensource, accessibility, clear and open administration), you will attract a different class of users. That class (first adopters) will drive other users in, eventually shifting the equation until the tipping point falls over.

Its not an impossible task. It is an enormously difficult, challenging, and long-term goal.
realestninja wrote:I suppose no one wants to help.
I've been in discussions about starting an opensource project for a myspace competitor with several other developers. Drop me a pm, and when we get started, I'll make sure you get a message about it.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:24 am
by Ree
onion2k, just think what you've just said. It's just a website. Damn right. :roll: The guy has no php skills and wants someone to teach him over AOL! Do you really believe that someone requesting this could build a fully functional and secure enough website of myspace.com caliber? NOT possible.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:38 am
by Roja
Ree wrote:onion2k, just think what you've just said. It's just a website. Damn right. :roll: The guy has no php skills and wants someone to teach him over AOL! Do you really believe that someone requesting this could build a fully functional and secure enough website of myspace.com caliber? NOT possible.
It is possible. It is improbable, but it is absolutely possible.

Stop being a roadblock. If you can't help, then move on to other threads. Others can, and are offering to.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:03 am
by Ree
Roja wrote:
Ree wrote:onion2k, just think what you've just said. It's just a website. Damn right. :roll: The guy has no php skills and wants someone to teach him over AOL! Do you really believe that someone requesting this could build a fully functional and secure enough website of myspace.com caliber? NOT possible.
It is possible. It is improbable, but it is absolutely possible.
I can't believe you're so naive. Never anything comes out of nowhere just like that.
Roja wrote: Stop being a roadblock.
It's not me being a roadblock, it's the guy's knowledge.

Seriously, realestninja, if you want to code something like myspace that would not collapse after a month, basic php knowledge and a couple of 'lessons-to-get-you-started' over instant messenger by someone who may have little (or even false) knowledge himself won't be enough. It just doesn't happen this way. Try simple things first, read, fail, then read again, learn and later move on to more sophisticated stuff.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:41 am
by Roja
Ree wrote:I can't believe you're so naive. Never anything comes out of nowhere just like that.
Google did. QLink (which later became AOL) did. So did Flickr.

I'm not the one being naive - you are. You apparently have little knowlege of how many businesses were started with little more than hope and an idea. Microsoft? HP? Seriously, do some research before claiming someone else is naive.

Stop being negative. Either help, or stop posting in this thread. You've done *nothing* to help.
Ree wrote:
Roja wrote:Stop being a roadblock.
It's not me being a roadblock, it's the guy's knowledge.
He isn't the only person interested in doing this sort of thing. We've had a dozen discussions about it in the last two months on these forums! Just because he doesn't have the skill (today) to program the ENTIRE thing himself does not mean he has zero value.
Ree wrote:Seriously, realestninja, if you want to code something like myspace that would not collapse after a month, basic php knowledge and a couple of 'lessons-to-get-you-started' over instant messenger by someone who may have little (or even false) knowledge himself won't be enough. It just doesn't happen this way. Try simple things first, read, fail, then read again, learn and later move on to more sophisticated stuff.
For me, the best way for me to learn is to work on something I love. Thats what he wants to do. If you don't want to help him, find another thread to help with.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:00 am
by onion2k
Ree wrote:It's just a website. Damn right. :roll:
Like it or not, MySpace is just a website. It's a very basic CMS and messaging system that's been scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users. That's all there is to it.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:01 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
onion2k wrote:
Ree wrote:It's just a website. Damn right. :roll:
Like it or not, MySpace is just a website. It's a very basic CMS and messaging system that's been scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users. That's all there is to it.
I don't know about the whole being scaled up part.. I think they just kept adding more servers and hoping for the best. ;)

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:51 pm
by nickman013
Yeah. I wonder how much they make a day, and how much their bills are.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:54 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Lets just say number two is significantly smaller than number one.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:38 pm
by onion2k
d3ad1ysp0rk wrote:
onion2k wrote:
Ree wrote:It's just a website. Damn right. :roll:
Like it or not, MySpace is just a website. It's a very basic CMS and messaging system that's been scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users. That's all there is to it.
I don't know about the whole being scaled up part.. I think they just kept adding more servers and hoping for the best. ;)
That's how I scale things up.

:wink:

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:41 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Well, when I think "scaled up to handle a large number of simultaneous users", I think refactoring code to use stored procedures, caching, and general refactoring of the codebase. None of which happened to myspace. They were just like "hey, there's a huge server load, let's add another one!".

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by Gambler
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:46 am
by hcy
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