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Too many frameworks...
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:50 pm
by allspiritseve
I read this post on SitePoint today:
16 PHP Frameworks To Consider For Your Next Project
I also noticed there were at least 10 more frameworks mentioned in the comments that were not on the list. Why so many? I mean, how many ports of RoR do we need, seriously? Are there really that many architecture styles that we need 25+ frameworks?
Re: Too many frameworks...
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:46 pm
by alex.barylski
That was pretty lame for an article, no offense to the author or anything...
That is a synopsis I would provide someone who asked in a forum when answering in a rush. You would think for an article, someone might sit down, actually use each framework for a week, building a small contact manager or something, then compare them fairly using a variety of metrics to detemrine overall quality.
Sadly, I`ve actually gone through all that effort several times with dozens of frameworks...only to eventually decide no one would care to read it, so I scrapped the article, profile and metric data, etc.
There was a lot of self interest though, as I build my own framework (who isn`t) I wanted to see where my own stood in terms of all the metrics I had detemrined to be worthy of inclusion in an article.
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Too many frameworks...
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:19 pm
by allspiritseve
PCSpectra wrote:That was pretty lame for an article, no offense to the author or anything...

Yeah, I think people said as much in the comments.
PCSpectra wrote:There was a lot of self interest though, as I build my own framework (who isn`t) I wanted to see where my own stood in terms of all the metrics I had detemrined to be worthy of inclusion in an article.
Yeah, I mean, my own codebase could probably be considered a framework. I wouldn't give it a name and a website and release it to the public though. There's too much noise as it is.
Re: Too many frameworks...
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:04 pm
by alex.barylski
There's too much noise as it is.
Yup it`s almost cliche
Seriously though options are good...I`ve found some weird, esoteric frameworks while browsing, many of which had cool ideas which I borrowed for my own. Each one is uniquely influenced in some way I find great pleasure in finding them, figuring out the unique parts and borrowing them if good. My problem is what I consider a framework is quite minimal to most, so many of these ideas make it into my applications, but at the application level or third party library or service of some kind.
Still I think options are good in that way but bad in the sense it makes standardizing next to impossible, but I long since began developing my own standards, so I`d be hard pressed jumping ship now. That is one things I miss about programming in a compiled language like CéC++ when you used a third party lib or DLL it didn`t matter what or how the module was built you just used it and continued on with life.

Re: Too many frameworks...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:38 am
by kaisellgren
PCSpectra wrote:That was pretty lame for an article
Actually I think it was just a list.
And what comes to "too many frameworks", the amount of CMS'es is even higher (most being useless self-made)..

Re: Too many frameworks...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:26 am
by alex.barylski
CMS are more common I agree...I've gone through the list over ast open source CMS and still managed to find CMS which were not listed in there.
Sometimes you luck out and find one that is really neat though.
