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Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:33 pm
by hcue
I am looking to create an application in which the more people submit and contribute to it, the more access they have to the submitted data. At the same time, if they submit too much, then they are restricted from participation in the website. I would also like to demonstrate the person's participation in the website through a graphic representation of balance - Too little participation is unbalanced, an equal measure of give and take is balanced, and too much is unbalanced.
To be honest, my knowledge of PHP is limited. I'm wondering where a good place to start would be to create this simple user-generated and participation-based forum.
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:28 am
by josh
Can I ask why you want to do this?
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:37 am
by alex.barylski
Josh: I personally like the idea it filters out the noise. Look at DN, there are maybe a little over 2 dozen regulars who are genuinely passsionate about software development, and whom I appreciate conversing with. Most everyone else, ask same boring questions, in the same half-fast poor English fashion. While they not bother be directly, they do waste my time as I attempt to read (at least partially) what the problem is.
I think the programming community would really benefit with such a system. Also it might be worth while, to build a friends list and filter only topics started or particpated in by your friends.
OP: If your knowledge in PHP is limited what is it your asking? A project of any decent size is complicated enough to justify studying PHP for several years before building anything.
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:25 pm
by Christopher
PCSpectra wrote:Josh: I personally like the idea it filters out the noise. Look at DN, there are maybe a little over 2 dozen regulars who are genuinely passsionate about software development, and whom I appreciate conversing with. Most everyone else, ask same boring questions, in the same half-fast poor English fashion. While they not bother be directly, they do waste my time as I attempt to read (at least partially) what the problem is.
Is Hockey becoming jaded after 5800+ posts!?!

I would point out that most of the passionate regulars once asked boring questions.
PCSpectra wrote:I think the programming community would really benefit with such a system. Also it might be worth while, to build a friends list and filter only topics started or particpated in by your friends.
I believe that phpBB does have friend/foe settings -- check your user profile.
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:23 pm
by alex.barylski
Is Hockey becoming jaded after 5800+ posts!?! I would point out that most of the passionate regulars once asked boring questions.
Yes, pretty much. After a certain point, you are no longer enthusiastically solving the same basic problems which are common when first learning. A forum dedicated strictly to members with over 2K posts or something would eliminate a lot of the noise I find time wasting.
Every forum suffers from the beginner questions that are so obvious to experienced developers and not clear to new comers.
I ask newbie questions all the time, when starting a new framework or system, I am constantly hitting the forums for help, whilst I understand why senior members do not promptly answer my questions (a little reading goes a long way when first starting anything) I also understand that it's equally frustrating for newbies to to get prompt replies that solve their problems.
Not sure what the solution is, whether poor docs are to blame and lack of (affordable) commercial support for many products, but it's a lose-lose and a win-win for everyone involved.
I believe that phpBB does have friend/foe settings -- check your user profile.
I care less about foe as I do about people of interest. Problem is, using a whitelist would occassionally result in me missing interesting questions by new members, so again, whats the answer? Probably easiest to just continue filtering the noise based on the first few sentances.
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:58 pm
by pickle
I think something like this already exists somewhat in the form of a Karma system like Slashdot, or votes like Stack Overflow. If you post good stuff, your rank/karma increases.
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:52 pm
by alex.barylski
Karma...I need some of that
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:52 am
by Griven
I don't have nearly the amount of posts here that you guys do, and I'm already skipping over a lot of what I see in PHP - Code, or not looking at it altogether. I find the Theory and Design and Security forums a lot more interesting to read and respond to. Not to mention, there's usually more proper English involved. I'll admit, though, there's some gems here and there where people who've given it the old college try go about seeking help in the right fashion.
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:22 pm
by alex.barylski
I don't have nearly the amount of posts here that you guys do, and I'm already skipping over a lot of what I see in PHP - Code, or not looking at it altogether. I find the Theory and Design and Security forums a lot more interesting to read and respond to. Not to mention, there's usually more proper English involved. I'll admit, though, there's some gems here and there where people who've given it the old college try go about seeking help in the right fashion.
Agreed. These two forums (and general is OK as well as specialized like Systems, Regex, Client and DB) are by far the best. I am (or have been) a regular on hundreds of forums, where I reach a breaking point and give up. DN has consistently brought me back. I am so proud of my existance on this forum, in fact, I have even made mention of it on recent resumes.
CodeProject was really awesome for me too, but as my Internet in Windows and MS specific development has dwindled over the decade, I come here more and more. I think I have surpassed my post count at CP making this my most frequent destination.
While I butt heads with most frequent memebers on here, doing so has undoubtly made me a better developer. DNFTW.
I still think a forum where only members 1000+ could view or participate in would be awesome. Maybe even selected by other members, voted in so to speak. The only concern I would have with that, is the bias selection process. I know many Tony Marston is a maniac and while I agree his opinions are a little rusty when it comes to OO best practices, etc. I would personally vote him into an an exclusive club, strictly to keep me second guessing myself and furthering my understanding when trying to explain ideas or concepts to people like him.
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:01 pm
by josh
If he is in count me out
I have no interest in people who contradict themselves with the frequency he does.
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:36 pm
by alex.barylski
I have no interest in people who contradict themselves with the frequency he does.
As Humans by nature, we constantly contradict ourselves. It's how we change and challenge ourselves, IMO.
Cheers,
Alex
Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:02 pm
by Christopher
PCSpectra wrote:As Humans by nature, we constantly contradict ourselves. It's how we change and challenge ourselves, IMO.

I'm with Josh on this. When you contradict yourself you are simply showing that you don't realize that at least some of your ideas are wrong. You can't challenge yourself under those circumstances. And you can't change if you don't know (or won't accept) what needs to be corrected. Marston is a particularly bad example of this. I would vote him into an "exclusive club" too , but I think it is a different one than you were thinking of.

Re: Interested in Learning Something Specific
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:27 pm
by josh
Yes. Psychologists have a term for it. Cognitive dissonance. Its one of the fundamentals of being a thinking individual that he lacks. He denies to experience said experience. The first step to solving your problem is admitting you have one
