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How about a glued Zend Framework?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:52 pm
by Luke
I've been hearing a lot about the difference between glue and full-stack frameworks lately. I am just wondering if anybody knows of any software project that aims to release a full-stack version of Zend. What I mean by this is they have taken Zend and put together all of the MVC components and packaged the framework so that out-of-the-box, it's ready for development. I think this would probably be a pretty popular project if it existed. A lot of people really like the Zend Framework, but just aren't capable of putting together an organized mvc structure with it.

Re: How about a glued Zend Framework?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:41 pm
by alex.barylski
but just aren't capable of putting together an organized mvc structure with it.
How do you mean? Are there not any examples of full applications?

You were the on who brought Magento to my attention via these boards, so I know you are familiar with it, have you looked at how they organize things? I have and admittedly is was complex enough that I gave up after only a few minutes...it appears as though they at one time had their own framework called "Mage" and slowly merged it with Zend...which caused some confusion.

Also, what I found peculiar was the lack of controllers. If I recall they only seemed to have one which acted something like index.php in the sense all requests were fed through a single controller -- but don't quote me on that cause I could be remembering wrong (I've looked at about a billion projects in the last month).

Cheers :)

Re: How about a glued Zend Framework?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:43 pm
by John Cartwright
Hockey wrote:Also, what I found peculiar was the lack of controllers. If I recall they only seemed to have one which acted something like index.php in the sense all requests were fed through a single controller
Thats right, and it's called a front controller.

Re: How about a glued Zend Framework?

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:56 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
The problem is that nobody really agrees on what a single best practice approach to a glued up ZF application would be. Without a lengthy analysis of how to organise such a modification, it would never get adopted. One of the core problems, personally, is what a minimalistic Hello World application should look like. Bear in mind that raises a lot of questions itself ;).

Re: How about a glued Zend Framework?

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:52 pm
by Luke
This is basically what I meant.

http://www.zym-project.com/

Although like Maugrim said, I don't know if everybody will agree with their implementation.