I did look for the "i forgot my user name and password" in the manual, that manual isn't so good for troubleshooting. I also tried reintalling numerous times paying careful attention to anything about passwords, but to no success. I'm not quitting on this. I've tried to connect through the database through php, c++, and the mysql bin .exe(s) and they all say i do not have access. I never set a password or username and the manula does not talk about a default password and says the default user name may be root, which i have tried already.