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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:18 pm
by Ollie Saunders
I'd be careful xenontheblue you come across to me as untrustworthy and a CMS of the sort you are describing will require very experienced developers, examples of which are present on this forum, that like to work for money, and lots of it. :)

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:23 pm
by Christopher
xenontheblue wrote:i don't mean to type as if i'm angry or irate ... i'm just direct and to the point - looking back, i do sound impatient - sorry ^_^;;;
I'll be direct and to the point. There are three ways it works:
- get capital and pay employees to build it,
- you give aways equity to people who help build it -- if you can find people interested who you want as business partners,
- you open source it and maybe others find it worthwhile and help you build it

And more to the point, I seriously doubt that you have what you think you have. What you describe "The Most Brilliant CMS Ever" is almost considered a joke by web developers because there are so many CMSs and so many ideas for them. I hate to be harsh but it is the truth. The only people interested is what you are working on are already working on their own brilliant CMS idea.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:37 pm
by xenontheblue
i have no problem with giving shares in it or beginning partnerships with interested parties - that would be the ideal way for my end.

And to your other point, yes - I agree, there are hundreds of free open source CMS systems out there that claim to do everything but make a cup of coffee. It's all been said before with little new to offer. To my knowledge the vast majority of content management solutions out there, they are set down a very static path "this is what I do, work around it" ... PodFusion doesn't.

It has a very liquid structure which will realistically do anything with a simple set of tools.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:45 pm
by feyd
Is there a prospectus for this? How about a project timeline? Design Document? UML diorama? What percentage of shares are you willing to part with to other developers? What's the monetary value you've placed on these shares? Is there an NDA in place?

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:54 pm
by xenontheblue
*twitches*

Is there a prospectus for this? - Nope
How about a project timeline? - Not as such, since I've been working on it in my own time at my own leisure up until now.
Design Document? - Again, no for the same reason
UML diorama? - Sort of, basically a simplistic diagram of how the current processes work from page-hit.
What percentage of shares are you willing to part with to other developers? - Negotiable, so long as I have the controlling share.
What's the monetary value you've placed on these shares? - Well, since at the moment it has no value, at this very second $0.
Is there an NDA in place? - Yes, on all core source code and unannounced features.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:06 pm
by ztml
There are a lot of valuable advises given here, however, as a developer it is very difficult to simply accept them and move on, especially one who truly believe that you are making a next best thing since sliced bread. I was working on a CMS that I though too have excellent prospects even though I was told that the world does not need another CMS since there were a million of them. That did not stop me either and I have been working on my CMS project for over five year now but no longer thinking it might set the world on fire. Instead I'm now just doing for fun and for learning but I do try to share it with people who might be interested in using it. Although I'm not getting a lot of users but I enjoy doing this nevertheless. So if you believe in what you doing I would say go ahead. You might very well able to achieve your goal. Good luck.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:16 pm
by xenontheblue
Fair enough, I thought I may be able to rely on the community for constructive advice but obviously I'm mistaken. Saying "we don't need any more because there's already hundreds of them" is like saying "we don't need any more explorers because everywhere on earth has already been discovered".

Fact is, I'm a developer, not a businessman. I have an idea which needs a lot of work, nurturing and a dev team. Obviously I'll have to do this privately since I'm not getting the help I need from the very community I'm trying to build upon.

I'm disappointed, but I'm going to take this as a positive step and prove that it's possible to build a better system.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:37 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Please understand that what you are proposing is being met with opposition for a few reasons:

1. The CMS application has been done and done again. Yes, you say yours is different, but will that really matter when there are commercial applications out there that are being marketed by companies that have million dollar budgets and entire departments dedicated to marketing that one core product that happens to drive a large portion of their business?

2. The idea of working for free now in the hopes of gain later on a project that will be closed-source and will seriously need to prove its mettle in the very competitive commercial CMS market, is a little tough to swallow when presented to a group of developers that are almost all either working in code full-time or are working in code as their business. Time equals money and for some of us, free time now could be detrimental to our, and our family's, well being.

3. The fact that there is little documented planning for your project makes it look like a hobby trying to grow up into a commercial venture. I am not saying this to be mean. I am merely stating how it comes across to me. There is nothing wrong with that, but trying to get other people to grab on to your vision may be a little though if they see it this way.

There is no reason whatsoever that you should give up on your dream. You are right... you are a developer and that is what we, as developers, do. Put some of the excitement you have about your project toward your project and I'd be willing to bet others may see the vision and get on board. It happened with phpBB, it happened with WordPress. It could just as possibly happen to you.

Good luck to you in your venture. I hope the best for you and your application.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:38 pm
by Ollie Saunders
Saying "we don't need any more because there's already hundreds of them" is like saying "we don't need any more explorers because everywhere on earth has already been discovered"
Precisely. Which means you may do it for the experience of doing so but few are likely to notice your achievements.
I was told that the world does not need another CMS since there were a million of them. That did not stop me either and I have been working on my CMS project for over five year now but no longer thinking it might set the world on fire
So... they were right!

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:04 pm
by xenontheblue
i do understand the competitiveness of the CMS market - there's hundreds out there, and the majority of php ones are free open source - I'm just very confident in this system of mine - but it's not just the CMS. It's the whole community aspect you're just ignoring which is frustrating the heck out of me.

I agree that everything seems vague and disorganised, but this is just another thing I need help with - design, development and documentation. helpful advice welcomed, but honestly - i don't feel that the advice given is helpful in the slightest.

I understand that time=money ... fair enough but there's no need to practically say 'give up, there's no chance' it's just hurtful and depressing - especially considering the time and effort I've put into it with no help or support whatsoever, learning php for this specific purpose.

It just hurts, there's no need.

My offer still stands - point me to one more php based system which offers the flexibility of mine, i'll drop it and i'll go back to tech support.

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:02 pm
by ztml
From reading your note about your project, I think my project also shares many of your features in mind. The main difference is our approach. Instead of handling specific tasks using modules as you propose I use templates where users who have no PHP knowledge can develop. However this has a major drawback that the users have to learn how to develop the templates, which I found out that very few do. But just recently I found a partner who is a designer help me out by developing a standalone system where people can use the system without additional development. As you can see, it may also take some time before you find a right partner for your project too. So don't give up trying if you believe in your project.

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:56 pm
by silverbux
i love the concept i love the idea i love the challenge....too bad im not a pro like you guys, but ill be happy to help :)

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:46 am
by grudgeuk
silverbux wrote:i love the concept i love the idea i love the challenge....too bad im not a pro like you guys, but ill be happy to help :)
I too like the concept, but I have only being working on web development for about 8 - 10 Months. :(