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Skeleton Framework project looking for developers
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:20 am
by Christopher
pytrin, Jcart, Matthijs and I have been plugging along with a PHP5 version of the Skeleton Framework project. It is going very well, but slowly given how much time each of us has. That is why we are looking for an additional software designer / programmers. Please don't ask "why another framework?" Not hyping this as the greatest or best or anything like that. It has a distinct style and goals, and we are looking for someone who shares those.
So we are looking for developers who has an hour or so a week to contribute to design discussions, programming, testing and reviewing code, etc. It can be any or all of the above. All discussions happen here in private forum here at Devnetwork. The Framework has many parts so any experience you have will be useful in some area. The code is under SVN
here, you can download a snapshot
here.
If you have questions about the project feel free to post them here or PM me.
Re: Framework project looking for additional designer/programmer
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:06 pm
by Christopher
I had someone elsewhere ask for a description of the project. It is a PHP5 framework framework more like Zend than full stack frameworks like Cake or Symfony. It uses the common Front/Action Controller architecture with Registry/Request/Response objects. It supports clean URLs but does not require them. And it has many of the usual support classes.
The framework is more loosely coupled and lighter than other frameworks (I think). We are trying to be more minimal at the core and add layers to add functionality, rather than adding methods. And we are trying to allow the programmer some choice in the style they want to use e.g. use convention or configuration, exceptions or return values, router or not, etc. Whether we are successful at those things, you would have to look at the code to decide for yourself.
We are in the process of working through all of the various existing PHP4 modules and rethinking the design. Plus we have been adding new modules as needed (Config and Sql recently). A person who got involved would certainly have an impact on the design and style of things.
Re: Framework project looking for additional designer/programmer
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:58 am
by BDKR
Hey Arborint,
How close to ready for use is this? Unfortunately, I don't really have the time to dedicate to working on the project specifically as I need to accomplish something for a project I've volunteered with.
However, I'd like to use the Skeleton as a foundation. In that way I could at least provide some feedback. It would be a huge departure from my own framework/way of doing things, but I need to keep in touch
without you mainstream guys anyways.
I've DL'd the P5 version. Just browsing the code, it looks great so far. There are one or two places where the comments seem to be just copied from some other method, but I'm sure that and other things can be worked out over time.
Cheers,
BDKR
Re: Framework project looking for additional designer/programmer
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:39 pm
by Christopher
BDKR wrote:How close to ready for use is this?
I actually have it in production use on a couple of sites. The PHP4 version was stable and the PHP5 conversion has been stable for months. The framework is in active development, but since our style is to add loosely coupled layers rather than glom more functions onto existing classes -- it is pretty stable from a BC point-of-view. We mostly add new ways to do things. Plus we try to make everything as optional and configurable as possible. It has been easy so far for me to just set the old default setting, when a change is made, to keep old code working.
And if you needed us to not break something through a few releases we could leave deprecated methods to give you time.
BDKR wrote:Unfortunately, I don't really have the time to dedicate to working on the project specifically as I need to accomplish something for a project I've volunteered with.
However, I'd like to use the Skeleton as a foundation. In that way I could at least provide some feedback. It would be a huge departure from my own framework/way of doing things, but I need to keep in touch
without you mainstream guys anyways.
I've DL'd the P5 version. Just browsing the code, it looks great so far. There are one or two places where the comments seem to be just copied from some other method, but I'm sure that and other things can be worked out over time.
Feedback from real use cases would be really valuable to us. And having other eyes in the code would help find things (like you already have). I think we can be pretty responsive for bug fixes. And we are always looking for feature requests, especially real use cases, because an overarching goal is that the frameworks is flexible enough to solve real problems and flex a little to acknowledge different implementation styles.
Re: Framework project looking for additional designer/programmer
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:15 am
by BDKR
arborint wrote:
Feedback from real use cases would be really valuable to us. And having other eyes in the code would help find things (like you already have). I think we can be pretty responsive for bug fixes. And we are always looking for feature requests, especially real use cases, because an overarching goal is that the frameworks is flexible enough to solve real problems and flex a little to acknowledge different implementation styles.
Thanx for the info arborint. I'll keep you posted on what I find while using it.
Cheers,
BDKR
Re: Skeleton Framework project looking for developers
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:53 pm
by Christopher
I am bumping this thread because we are again seeking developers. Jcart has gone AWOL and we are looking for additional developers. If you have an interest in framework development or any of the major application components, or would like more information about the Skeleton Framework specifically, then please contact me.
Re: Skeleton Framework project looking for developers
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:13 am
by RobertGonzalez
This is one thing that I might be able to sell as time well spent at work. If you don't mind teaching me what I don't know about patterns yet I would actually be really interested in joining the team.
Re: Skeleton Framework project looking for developers
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:34 pm
by mazdakiat
Hello,
I am a developer and have experience of more than 3 years in php. I am interested in working on the framework. I would be interested to know about the goals that this project would achieve.
regards,
mazdak
Re: Skeleton Framework project looking for developers
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:10 pm
by Christopher
Take a look at the code here:
http://code.google.com/p/skeleton/
One of the goals are to be able to be fairly minimal if you want and layer different style solutions on top of that. It is also fairly loosely coupled which makes many things optional and usable stand alone. PM me if you have questions.