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Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:47 pm
by bobocheez
(this topic could go in both hire and volunteer work, but i think this is the best place so dont delete this mods plz)
anyway

Hi,
I'm looking for someone who knows how to program in php and html
right now im flat broke and dont have anything to pay (what everybody on the hire part of this site is offerings)
but I'm basically looking for a partner for my website

When the site starts making money, I'll pay you a ridiculous amount for each script that you do/did. (For instance: I'll pay $50 for modifications to an email script.)

I know that this sounds fictional and all BS, but let me explain
its a social network script, and i've figured out a way to get a lot of people to signup (i'm talking about hundreds of thousands - i have 2 years of heavy marketing/advertising experience and can easily get people to the site(plus the idea behind the site will rush people to it)

however the problem is that im a complete novice at php(and barely know a thing about MySql) and I dont want to mess up the script
(and a test copy is not optional since im a genius and purchased a script where the lisence allows only one domain - but its a good script, barely any bugs -(none of which are of any real significance), and there are about 2 or 3 scripts that need to be implemented in order to get people to signup (why does the site need them: again from my marketing experience, i have learned that people are very lazy and want everything already done)--and in this field of social network(which i will not mention publically(not anything adult if your wondering), people will always be interested in as long as they live

how will you benefit:
again since these will be fairly easy scripts for a php programmer, and im paying a ridiculous amount after the site starts going
youll basically be doing half the work for twice the money


pm/email me
or just leave a comment

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:23 am
by papa
For a marketing genius with a waterproof plan wouldn't you think it would be smarter to take a loan and pay a programmer up front and make tons of money instead of over paying someone?

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:04 pm
by bobocheez
You've heard that "business men" take risks.
Well thats just one of those things thats kind of out there without any real explanation.
If you have an alternative, or a safer way around and get the same results why not take it?
Also, this way more results are generated from the programmer, since they basically get paid on their performance.
For example, someone could offer me $1000 to advertise their site. You suppose that since I know how to market, I would double your traffic.
However, who said that I would do my best job, in fact, since I got paid(most people want to get paid before they start), I could easily send a few thousand visitors, and just say that your site itself just does not attract attention.

Same thing with programming: I could pay you, you could make a basic script that barely does what its suppose to do, it might need a slight modification later(but who will do it, and do I have to risk taking out another loan), BUT, the site still does not get the estimated increase.

In conclusion, there is always a 50/50 chance that I could loose the money I took out, and have the site fail.
...or I could go with the alternative and not lose any money, and receive maximum output from the programmer.

And this concludes our lesson for today kids.(No pun intended)
Questions?

Note:Generally(80%) the one doing the work ends up with more than they would if they just asked for a flat rate.

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:07 pm
by onion2k
bobocheez wrote:When the site starts making money, I'll pay you a ridiculous amount for each script that you do/did. (For instance: I'll pay $50 for modifications to an email script.)
I must be overpaid or something; that sounds really low. :D

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:09 pm
by onion2k
bobocheez wrote:You've heard that "business men" take risks.
Generally that refers to putting up the money to fund the business at the beginning. Something you're not doing...

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:56 pm
by bobocheez
Not necesarrily. Again, why take unnecessary risks?
That was the whole point of my above post if you didn't get it the first time.

I've invested what is needed to set up the basics. However, the basics are not enough to get a continous stream of traffic.

And what are you getting to to modify a php email script?
I guess I should rephrase that part. I'm talking about those simple ones that require 4 lines of coding
-with the subject, to, from, body kind of thing
(Not a full scale email system like hotmail)

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:17 pm
by onion2k
bobocheez wrote:Not necesarrily. Again, why take unnecessary risks?
That was the whole point of my above post if you didn't get it the first time.
You're asking people to risk their time. By that I mean risk it in the sense of spending it writing the code you need possibly without any renumeration in the long term. For any developer who is able to get paid work that could constitute an unnecessary risk.

Besides, if you have any confidence in your business plan you wouldn't see fronting the money (through a loan) as an unnecessary risk, you'd see it as a necessary investment.
bobocheez wrote:I've invested what is needed to set up the basics. However, the basics are not enough to get a continous stream of traffic.
Anything online that we can see?
bobocheez wrote:And what are you getting to to modify a php email script?
I guess I should rephrase that part. I'm talking about those simple ones that require 4 lines of coding
-with the subject, to, from, body kind of thing
(Not a full scale email system like hotmail)
$50 gets you 12.5 minutes of my time at my usual rate. Between writing the code, testing it, uploading it to a staging server, retesting it, testing the email in 3 target clients (Outlook, Gmail, and Hotmail usually) then uploading it to the live server ... even a small change takes more like an hour. $50 is cheap.

Mind you, I tend to write systems where everything like email subject lines and body text is controlled through an admin system precisely because noone wants to pay for that sort of thing. And I don't want to do that sort of work. It's boring. :)

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:02 pm
by bobocheez
You're asking people to risk their time. By that I mean risk it in the sense of spending it writing the code you need possibly without any renumeration in the long term. For any developer who is able to get paid work that could constitute an unnecessary risk.
And that's why it's in the volunteer section. Generally people here are not interested in money, but if I get something out of it then I'll repay very handsomly.

Besides, if you have any confidence in your business plan you wouldn't see fronting the money (through a loan) as an unnecessary risk, you'd see it as a necessary investment.
Ok, I take that one back. I should not have looked at it as an unnecessary risk. However, a risk is still a risk, and again(if there are alternatives...)
Anything online that we can see?
It's online but I don't want to show it(I've sent the url to those interested tho)
$50 gets you 12.5 minutes of my time at my usual rate. Between writing the code, testing it, uploading it to a staging server, retesting it, testing the email in 3 target clients (Outlook, Gmail, and Hotmail usually) then uploading it to the live server ... even a small change takes more like an hour. $50 is cheap.

Mind you, I tend to write systems where everything like email subject lines and body text is controlled through an admin system precisely because noone wants to pay for that sort of thing. And I don't want to do that sort of work. It's boring.
You know how many people would kill to make $50 an hour?(dont answer that, people are generally lazy lol)

But yea, I bet it is boring. I was however expecting more of a freelancer to be around here, and my experiences with them has proven to me that people are lazy. I had a very mediocre referral script done within half an hour. It did the basics but nothing special.



Let me just say that I'm not here expecting some expert programmer with 5+ years programming experience. If you have any knowledge of php/mysql and could make a simple script (even if it takes a whole day if your a novice) I'll accept your help.
But again let me reiterate what I said earlier:
This way, I am expecting more output from the programmer, since it all depends on what comes out of it.
Also, remember that this kind of payment usually results in extra cash for the programmer than just a flat rate.

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:52 am
by papa
bobocheez wrote:You've heard that "business men" take risks.
Well thats just one of those things thats kind of out there without any real explanation.
If you have an alternative, or a safer way around and get the same results why not take it?
Also, this way more results are generated from the programmer, since they basically get paid on their performance.
For example, someone could offer me $1000 to advertise their site. You suppose that since I know how to market, I would double your traffic.
However, who said that I would do my best job, in fact, since I got paid(most people want to get paid before they start), I could easily send a few thousand visitors, and just say that your site itself just does not attract attention.

Same thing with programming: I could pay you, you could make a basic script that barely does what its suppose to do, it might need a slight modification later(but who will do it, and do I have to risk taking out another loan), BUT, the site still does not get the estimated increase.

In conclusion, there is always a 50/50 chance that I could loose the money I took out, and have the site fail.
...or I could go with the alternative and not lose any money, and receive maximum output from the programmer.

And this concludes our lesson for today kids.(No pun intended)
Questions?

Note:Generally(80%) the one doing the work ends up with more than they would if they just asked for a flat rate.
Sounds like you have never worked with proffesionals before?

Say that you hire a freelancer with that kind of attitude. His career would be very short as noone would hire him after a while.

Also a nice way of doing business is writing a contract. If you didn't got what you asked for, no money will change hands basically.

Nothing wrong with what you are asking here on this forum but from what you have given us so far you seem to be a bit naive and I wouldn't expect to see a dime from this project if I helped you.

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:22 pm
by bobocheez
Hmm, I need to work on my writing then :/
Say that you hire a freelancer with that kind of attitude. His career would be very short as noone would hire him after a while.
...and say you come across one
Also a nice way of doing business is writing a contract. If you didn't got what you asked for, no money will change hands basically.

Nothing wrong with what you are asking here on this forum but from what you have given us so far you seem to be a bit naive and I wouldn't expect to see a dime from this project if I helped you.
I have a simple TOS laid out that acts as a contract(covers who owns what and who gets what, also says to print it out and no changes can be made unless agreed upon by both parties)(plus some other things).

Going back to the freelancer thing you said above, the same would go for the one asking for a programmer: The owner of the site would lose value for both himself and the site.

And ouch. Don't you think that I plan on making anything out of this? I know this is only my word on this forum, but I will pay in return.

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:06 am
by alex.barylski
Is this a joke?
Same thing with programming: I could pay you, you could make a basic script that barely does what its suppose to do, it might need a slight modification later(but who will do it, and do I have to risk taking out another loan), BUT, the site still does not get the estimated increase
You can hire professional Indian developers for $10/hour to develop your site. Likewise you could hire a professional who was also passionate about what they do and gaunrateed the highest quality.

I love what I do 110%. Everytime I write code, I write it for me and my satisfaction, the fact I get paid is just icing on the cake. A real professional isn't going to just develop something and let it slide, much the same way a professional/passionate artist won't sell you a crappy drawing or painting.

If your that nervous about findind someone shady I'd be reluctant to do business with you as I would assume this has been your experience, likely from paying bare minimum and thus getting burned in the process.

Good luck

Cheers,
Alex

Re: Will Pay if it works out (PHP/HTML)

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:31 pm
by bobocheez
Ok
You can dorp this and move on with your lives now.

And, im fine now, I have a programmer.
Thanks anyway