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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:14 am
by anjanesh
Hi
Im getting a new 80GB HDD soon and decided to have Linux and started downloading linux apps and Fedora OS.
Problem is I dont know a thing in Linux and I'll probably need to know answers to 1000s of questions.
Is there any good forum dedicated to linux alone where it'll be appropriate to ask ground up questions not just for OS but for linux based apps ?
Thanks
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:25 am
by feyd
probably best to find the official Fedora forums, if that's the OS you are going with.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:08 pm
by anjanesh
Is Fedora the best ?
Im downloading it only because its free to download while Redhat original isn't.
Is there any other OS that I should opt for ?
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:19 pm
by scorphus
anjanesh wrote:Is there any other OS that I should opt for ?
Debian is for sure and by far your best option.
Read about it.
Reasons to Choose Debian.
-- Scorphus
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:40 pm
by anjanesh
Where can I find stats for usage of different apps under various linux OSs ?
Like I need to use J2ME, Apache, gcc, Symbian etc etc. Right now all are working fine in windows and am used to it. I just need to know comparisions b/w these apps on different versions of linux.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:58 pm
by Pyrite
I think Quake3World's *NIX Forums are good, as well as LinuxQuestions.org org or whatever its called. Linux is Linux man, different distros just install and setup things differently, but the programs are the same and Linux is the same.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:09 pm
by anjanesh
I didnt go for Redhat since its not free anymore (except fedora ver).
But then I came across this link :
http://mymirror.asiaosc.org/redhat/linux/9/en/iso/i386/
It shows Redhat 9 iso files for download for free ! (The name of the files start with shrike though).
Debian 3 rc2 comes in 7-8 cds.
Im terribly confused over linux - Fedora, Debian, Redhat (not free but files available for download (?))
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:00 pm
by scorphus
anjanesh wrote:(...) Debian 3 rc2 comes in 7-8 cds. (...)
You don't need to get all the 8 cds, just the 3 first, or maybe yet only the #1. These 3 cds contain the most commonly used applications and the rest you can install on demand with apt (which downloads and install the application for you automatically).
Debian 3 r2 is the stable distribution, codenamed Woody, it is designed for servers. As a home or office user you better choose Sarge (the Debian Testing Distribution) which will become Debian 3.1 stable distro in a couple months. Please refer to
Debian Releases for a detailed information regarding Debian distributions.
How I wish someone had told me things like this a long ago when I was immersing myself into this
GNU world, vast and confusing for a first view.
Regards,
Scorphus.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:57 pm
by timvw
currently i have a debian-netinstall iso (only 50mb or so) and then fetch everything from my local ftp server....
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:50 pm
by scorphus
timvw wrote:currently i have a debian-netinstall iso (only 50mb or so) and then fetch everything from my local ftp server....
Very nice. How many machines do you have on your network? In what frequency and how do you update your package repository?
anjanesh, this is also an option if you're not planning to install on more than one machine: get the netinst iso image (around 50 MB) to install the
base-system and then download the packages you want to be installed.
-- Scorphus
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:55 pm
by timvw
currently there are 4 (+1 test) servers running debian stable:
http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ to serve the packages,
http://greenfly.org/tips/apt-automate.html to update the servers..
I run update-upgrade everyday on the test machine. If it goes well, i upgrade the others too...
but have 2 desktop machines that run debian unstable/experimental too and they only get upgraded when i or somebody in the family feels like upgrading them

(unstable seems to have a broken package once in a while and requires a little more attention

)
To be honest, only have heard bad comments on Fedora Core (1|2) untill now. But not tested it myself yet. I think Redhat with yum/ apt4rpm will be nice too... A few years ago i preferred Slackware but the _BIG_ configuration files always drive my bogus

I guess i love debian

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:33 pm
by Pyrite
anjanesh wrote:
Im terribly confused over linux - Fedora, Debian, Redhat (not free but files available for download (?))
Redhat is FREE up to version 9. After that, it is not free. Fedora is what the Redhat community is further developing Redhat 9. So if you want Redhat, you choose Fedora. Mandrake is also a spinoff of Redhat, and may be eaiser to use.
Debian is on its only planet. The install isn't that easy, but the apt-get tool is cool.
Slackware is, well, for n00bs who don't want to stay n00bs.
SuSE is a spinoff of Slackware, from back in the day when Slackware didn't come in a german flavour, SuSE was made. Now its not really simular to Slackware, but somewhat. Its FREE.
All of these (Except for Redhat > v9.0) are FREE, but you can also buy them if you want to support your favourite distro. Some you can buy in stores and get a nice manual or tech support with. When you buy them, reasons are either you are on dialup and don't want to download all the CDs, want tech support or a manual for that distro. Hope this helps.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:41 pm
by scorphus
timvw wrote:currently there are 4 (+1 test) servers running debian stable:
http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ to serve the packages,
http://greenfly.org/tips/apt-automate.html to update the servers..
I run update-upgrade everyday on the test machine. If it goes well, i upgrade the others too...
but have 2 desktop machines that run debian unstable/experimental too and they only get upgraded when i or somebody in the family feels like upgrading them

(...)
Cool. Sounds like a real-world scenario. Very interesting test-machine strategy. What do those 4 machines serve? Are you planning to upgrade them to Sarge when it will be released?
timvw wrote:(...) A few years ago i preferred Slackware but the _BIG_ configuration files always drive my bogus

I guess i love debian

I feel the same. I could say that Slackware would be my OS of choice if Debian wasn't in place. My first attempt with it was with version 4 and I played it until a couple months before the man (P Volkerding) releases the version 8, when I heard about Debian. I still play with Slackware sometimes, but Debian rocks. I try and give something back to the community in form of support (mailling lists), translations (pt_br) and a bit coding/graphics (GkDebconf).
Debian commands.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:34 am
by timvw
scorphus wrote:
Cool. Sounds like a real-world scenario. Very interesting test-machine strategy. What do those 4 machines serve? Are you planning to upgrade them to Sarge when it will be released?
venus and mars server as webserver,
jupiter serves mysql,
deepstar serves imap, nntp, ldap
As long as everythings keeps doing what it should do, i don't think i'm going to upgrade
scorphus wrote:
I feel the same. I could say that Slackware would be my OS of choice if Debian wasn't in place. My first attempt with it was with version 4 and I played it until a couple months before the man (P Volkerding) releases the version 8, when I heard about Debian. I still play with Slackware sometimes, but Debian rocks. I try and give something back to the community in form of support (mailling lists), translations (pt_br) and a bit coding/graphics (GkDebconf).
Debian commands.
I've used slackware from 96 (think version 3.1) till version 4.0
Then with the release of apt-get i definitely switched to debian.
I've got some scripts in the debian package irssi-scripts and submitted more than one patch to various projects

And if i'm in a good mood i sometimes even answer questions in be.comp.os.linux newsgroup

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:21 am
by m3mn0n