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Ubuntu vs. SUSE

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:54 pm
by thecoroner
Is Ubuntu or SUSE better for a home desktop Linux machine?

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:59 pm
by feyd
I prefer Ubuntu, but that mostly stems from the pain I had attempting to install, let alone run SUSE.

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:07 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Ubuntu I'd say, as it is more of a PC OS than an enterprise OS out of the box.

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:17 pm
by Chris Corbyn
SuSE's Yast2 package manager got all screwed up for me and it seemed nothing I tried would fix it. I was a bit less experienced then though. I use Ubuntu and can highly recommend it. I've never had one single conflict with apps, no crashes and keeping up-to-date with the latest version is as easy as changing a list of URLs in a file and then running a one-line command :)

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:27 pm
by nickvd
I'd also vote for Ubuntu... its easy to install, easy to configure, and best of all, easy on the eyes :)

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:38 pm
by Jenk
You could always install a real man's distro, like Gentoo 8)

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:54 pm
by nickvd
Jenk wrote:You could always install a real man's distro, like Gentoo 8)
Gentoo?! how about slackware :D

There's nothing quite like feeling the rush of having to compile virtually everything yourself ;)

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:17 pm
by bkkkd
I like ubuntu
^_^

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:51 am
by saumya
i vote for UBUNTU

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:07 am
by Jenk
nickvd wrote:
Jenk wrote:You could always install a real man's distro, like Gentoo 8)
Gentoo?! how about slackware :D

There's nothing quite like feeling the rush of having to compile virtually everything yourself ;)
Gentoo wins that league, as everything is compiled at install - everything!

Slackware is close, though :P

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:29 am
by Chris Corbyn
Jenk wrote:Gentoo wins that league, as everything is compiled at install - everything!
*yawn*

Any downsides to that then? :D

I'd like my new install of OpenOffice.org some time in the next 3 days please ;) (It took my over 48 hours to install OpenOffice on my celeron and over 24 hours to install KDE). I'm sure I wouldn't even be able to noticeably benchmark the speed differences neither. This is all a bit of a "gimmick" that gentoo users are being fed. How long does it take you too refresh portage? How much hard disk space are you wasting with portage? How long does it take to find a package with portage? How many times have you had to manually fix conflicts in portage?

I'm curious what other distros you've used? You're clearly a strong advocate for gentoo, I'm just curious why? :)

One good thing is the USE flags which give you a huge amount of customization options as opposed to a standard binary with whatever options the maintainer has chosen.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:18 am
by Jenk
Pro's:

I'm a control freak, and Gentoo is easier than the other distro's to control (in context of I am allowed the control, not that it is actually 'easier' to control.) It doesn't come pre-packaged with a DE or anything else, not even portage (equiv. of Yum/Yast/apt-get/etc.) so even USE flags etc. are not essential. This is a winner for me. My machine, my choices. On the note of USE flags, they were recently changed. No longer do you set global/local USE flags in /etc/make.conf or at run time, you can now also use individual package names in /etc/portage/package.keywords, along with mask handling in similarly named files, on a package level instead of world.

Everything is compiled to the specifications of MY machine and MY settings. Not someone's dedicated binary maker. If I don't like something about a particular eBuild (source package) that's no problem, I can download it, change it, rebuild it then install.

Gentoo is 'old' as far as distro's go, so it has massive support/user base.

Con's:

Installing can take a while.. after my initial setup I started off compiling KDE. Went to bed, woke up 10hours later and it was still going... I estimated 17hours total compile time for KDE monolithic install. However when I swapped to module install it was significantly less time, but still of epidemic proportions - about 10hours. However normall applications take not much longer than installing via a wizard does.. Eclipse, for example, was downloaded, compiled, installed and running within 5 minutes.

That's about it.. the only other con's I can think of are attributed to the Windows vs. Linux debate. (Lack of support from vendors etc.) and not Gentoo.

I've experienced:

Slackware
SuSE (this didn't last long, admittedly)
Ubuntu
Red Hat (v6, 7 and 8)
Fedora FC1, 2 4 and 5. (skipped 3)
Debian (this is nice, but didn't give me quite enough control)
Mandrake (Mandriva before it turned commercial)

and possibly some others. I've also extensively supported Solaris on both x86 and Sun boxes (Sparc5's, 10's and 20's,) versions 5 and 9. Absolute PITA to install - probably why/because Sun offer engineers to come and install for a fee.

I've got my eye on Archlinux but the support/userbase is still a bit small for my liking, and I'm not quite yet done with compiles instead of binaries.

I never emerge -auD world, there's no point. If it's working, and I'm happy with it, it stays put. If a new feature is added to a particular piece of software that I want, I'll update that on it's own. Other than that, minimal installs are done. I spend maybe 10mins a week compiling stuff, and that's usually primarily nvidia-drivers as they have finally realised it might be a good idea to support linux users, thus they are releasing drivers almost weekly.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:25 am
by DrTom
Gentoo is also my personal preference for the same reasons listed above.

As a side note, if you know someone running Gentoo and want a quick install,
read the man pages for quickpkg and rsync. It makes installing KDE take about
oh 1 minute. But it won't be built using your flags, so you'll eventually want to recompile,
but if you need something up and running quick it's a good option. Quickpkgs can have messed
up dependencies though if the machien that made them isn't configured atleast close to
the other machine. Usually they'll still work and a simple 'revdep-rebuild' will fix it (iwth a recompile),
but it's worth the risk!

Some of the larger applications (liek openoffice) are also now offering Binary installs aswell so it's not
nearly as bad as it used to be (No more 39 hours of compiling!).

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:21 am
by Chris Corbyn
~Jenk... don't go near AL. I use it at work and it's on a rapid downhill slope. The package maintainers are just creating conflicts everywhere.... some of which would actually cause a kernel panic at boot-up. Pacman (it's packager manager) is poor for finding things too... you finish up having to use the website to find the package name you're looking for.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:39 am
by Jenk
Dam, I had high hopes for them, too.