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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:10 pm
by Jenk
The Ninja Space Goat wrote:the gimp is awesome... I don't miss photoshop at all.
There are only two things I miss from PS that's not available in GIMP

That is the animation frames (GIMP uses layers as frames, so you can't hide/show layers per frame)
On the fly brush resizing (you have to create a new brush in GIMP, can't just change the size at the slide of a slider)

However - CrossOver Office to the rescue! Allows the running of PS on linux! Hurrah!

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:03 pm
by feyd
Heh. I've run the GUI in Ubuntu.... maybe six times.

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:11 pm
by Jenk
boo_lolly's words are a bit brash, but there is an element of truth in there.. in that if you want to obtain a deeper understanding of the power on offer via *nix OS's (and a general understanding of how operating systems .. er, operate,) Ubuntu is not the best point of call :)

It is however, what it says on the tin. A Linux distro for "humans", whom do not want to pay an unwieldy sum of cash for an OS, but do not have the technical pre-requisites other distro's require.

Infact that slogan is the cause of grief for some people.

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:18 pm
by feyd
Jenk wrote:It is however, what it says on the tin. A Linux distro for "humans", whom do not want to pay an unwieldy sum of cash for an OS, but do not have the technical pre-requisites other distro's require.

Infact that slogan is the cause of grief for some people.
...or who are too tired of dealing with those technical details that they want it done instead of spending a good deal of time (and money) configuring it all (or waiting for it to compile for them.)

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:19 pm
by Jenk
same jam as:
but do not have the technical pre-requisites other distro's require.
I just forgot to add "or patience"

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:22 am
by boo_lolly
hey hey hey now.. i have a gui.. i mean, it's necessary for a web developer to have a gui on their development environment. all i'm saying is... the ubuntu community is based off of the user-friendly theme... not based off of the systems administrators and network administrators.

jenk's got it with patience. there's no use in running linux unless you're gonna take the time to learn it. and you can't do that when you're worried about the way your 'desktop' looks. it is of the least importance, in my opinion.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:40 am
by Kieran Huggins
Sounds like another "usability design or bling?" argument... and there are enough of those on the Internet.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:25 pm
by daedalus__
boo_lolly wrote:blah blah blah blah blah
I have no idea about Linux, which is why I chose Ubuntu. Just don't speak.

I've been trying to find a way to disable tapping on my touchpad and I think I found a driver but the website simply throws files and code at you without saying what to do with it. :/ It's a synaptics touchpad, could anyone help me out with this?

EDIT: I figured it out! hooray!!!!

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:46 am
by Chris Corbyn
*To anyone rambling on about GUIs*

wtf? I wish people wouldn't post ill-informed arguments ;)

Ubuntu is linux. Isn't it? Last time I used it was. Specifically, it's a Debian system. So yeah, it has a GUI - it's called Gnome. So? It has the Synaptic package manager. So? It's linux. Open a console window, hit CTRL+ALT+F1 or whatever and bang... it's a command line :) Linux + command line = Oh no... no use... it's Ubuntu, not linux, of course I forgot that bit.

You can learn a lot about linux using Ubuntu. You'll learn how to deal with a debian system: all you have to do is play with the command line. It's all there where it should be - nothing hidden.

On a side note, running Ubuntu as a server feels a little awkward really. I just run Sarge which is still Debian, still has apt, but is more aimed at server users. Add the dotdeb repositories to your sources.list and you have a monster :D

I have moved to Mac OS X now and despite it's lovely "GUI" and all that, it's still all there under the hood... it's a *nix system at the end of the day. I spend as much time in a terminal window on OS X as I do in Linux.

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:41 am
by Jenk
You are of course right that it is Linux, and Linux without a terminal is not Cricket, but the point I was raising is that Ubuntu still does a lot more for you than other distro's. This is also the cause of a few geek wars on other forums (and now this one too, by the looks of it. :lol: )

The last time I looked at Ubuntu (and installed it,) it was around version 4 or 5 iirc, I remember plopping the CD in the drive, clicking a button or two here and there and *ping* all done. Fantastically quick and easy.

Gentoo - that's much more involved. I had to manually format the disks, create my fstab, setup my make.conf with the correct (and customised in places) system information, create the kernel .config, compile the kernel, install and configure the bootloader ... yada yada..

The difference between the two, is for a power freak like me, I can monitor and change whatever I want for Gentoo. Ubuntu decides for me. There is also a few things that came with Ubuntu that I didn't like (Gnome for one :p) Sure I can change it after it's all installed, but I don't want that. I prefer for it not to go in/on in the first place. Gentoo has also helped me immensly in learning about operating systems in general.

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:18 am
by daedalus__
I've got almost all my hardware working correctly (headphone jack acting weird) and am going to try to get my win32 games to run tomorrow !!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:11 am
by boo_lolly
check my signature, Daedalus-. read rute. THEN decide if you like ubuntu or not.

to be honest, if you want respect in the linux genre, you either run gentoo, slackware, or linux-from-scratch. if you run ubuntu, you're no different than a windoze user.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:31 am
by RobertGonzalez
boo_lolly wrote:check my signature, Daedalus-. read rute. THEN decide if you like ubuntu or not.

to be honest, if you want respect in the linux genre, you either run gentoo, slackware, or linux-from-scratch. if you run ubuntu, you're no different than a windoze user.
That's kind of a crappy thing to say. I am not going to respect you any more because of the distribution you use. Hell, for that matter, why run Linux at all? Why not go straight Unix?

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:55 am
by Chris Corbyn
boo_lolly wrote:check my signature, Daedalus-. read rute. THEN decide if you like ubuntu or not.

to be honest, if you want respect in the linux genre, you either run gentoo, slackware, or linux-from-scratch. if you run ubuntu, you're no different than a windoze user.
I'm keeping out after this comment, but seriously, the way you talk makes you sounds like you're a 13 year old kid who just discovered linux and just realised that it's actually get some foundation to how it works. I've been using linux long enough to make my own informed decisions about what distro to work with (spent 2 years running Gentoo by the way).

I'm not going to say pro-Ubuntu, or pro-red hat or anything, but seriously they are all linux. It's just that some don't take 5 days to run a simple upgrade, or can search the package management system without having to recurse over a shed-load of files. I used to run Gentoo on a server. I now run Debian. I have my own reasons for making that change, and somebody suggesting that I'm inexperienced or shouldn't be respected because I made such a decision doesn't overly impress me.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:10 pm
by boo_lolly
Everah wrote:
boo_lolly wrote:check my signature, Daedalus-. read rute. THEN decide if you like ubuntu or not.

to be honest, if you want respect in the linux genre, you either run gentoo, slackware, or linux-from-scratch. if you run ubuntu, you're no different than a windoze user.
That's kind of a crappy thing to say. I am not going to respect you any more because of the distribution you use. Hell, for that matter, why run Linux at all? Why not go straight Unix?
i'm just tryin to make sure the kid doesn't shoot himself in the foot... sure, every single flavor of linux (including ubuntu) can be made into another flavor of linux. linux is just the kernel and the shell, and everything beyond that is the flavor. but, if ubuntu is your FIRST flavor, you're probably never going to learn everything there is to learn about it, in order to use it the most powerful way. if that's the case, why run linux at all? i'm not saying I personally won't respect him... i'm just saying, don't walk into an irc chatroom or a tech conversation somewhere and mention that you run ubuntu. they're gonna think you're an idiot. like i said, i'm just tryin to make sure the kid doesn't shoot himself in the foot.

and unix used to cost 10,000 dollars, that's why linux was created.

and i'm not 13.