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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:17 pm
by Luke
i'm just saying, don't walk into an irc chatroom or a tech conversation somewhere and mention that you run ubuntu. they're gonna think you're an idiot.
boo_lolly... only l33t retards would think that. And I don't run linux to impress people.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:42 pm
by RobertGonzalez
boo_lolly wrote:but, if ubuntu is your FIRST flavor, you're probably never going to learn everything there is to learn about it, in order to use it the most powerful way.
So you know everything there is to learn about Linux? Bold, man, very bold.
boo_lolly wrote:if that's the case, why run linux at all? i'm not saying I personally won't respect him... i'm just saying, don't walk into an irc chatroom or a tech conversation somewhere and mention that you run ubuntu. they're gonna think you're an idiot.
While it is everyone's own prerogative to think what they will, this statement seems rather immature. We have tech conversations all day long around here and few, if any of us, would think anyone is an idiot based on the OS they run. We might think they are idiots for other reasons, but certainly not because of your OS.

The moderator in me sees this thread going in a direction that is borderline dangerous, so to all posters, please keep this thread from becoming a flame war of distributions or of personal attacks of one person's opinion.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:29 pm
by boo_lolly
for some reason everyone here seems to take my posts in this thread a little too seriously, and a little off of the points i was trying to make, all at the same time.

everah, no, i don't know everything there is to know about linux... but by starting with gentoo, i feel i have learned much more in a shorter amount of time than if i had started with any other distribution. i feel this is the case because gentoo doesn't let you do anything unless you do it 100% manually. meaning, you have to know (or study) everything there is to know about whatever tiny configuration you are trying to make. gentoo forces you to learn the heart of linux. it is truly an uphill battle with gentoo. but once you learn it, you (practically) never have to learn it again. then, you will be comfortable enough with linux to play with other distros, and you will know enough about linux to accurately compare one distro to another. if i had started with ubuntu, most (if not all) of the configuration would have been done for me, and i wouldn't have seen much of a difference between linux and windoze. ubuntu users just seem to be more concerned with the way their gui looks, rather than how/why the operating system works. in my opinion, that is completely backwards.

ninja, like i said, i was only lookin out for the kid.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:17 pm
by Jenk
You'd call Gentoo an uphill battle? You noob.

.. that's exactly what your posts are saying, when telling Ubuntu users they are an embarrassment and should uninstall it.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, some people don't want to "do it all themselves" and just want a linux platform up and running with the minimal effort and headache, which Ubuntu does nicely.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:25 pm
by boo_lolly
hey jenk, bye bye. i'm done with the dev. delete my account.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:34 pm
by Jenk
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It was an example to show how your posts were coming across. I don't apologise if you find the taste of your own medicine bitter.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:42 pm
by daedalus__
Don't call me a kid. I'll learn in my own way and at my own pace. I need a box that is ready to run not something that is going to take me three days to configure to the point that it is usable. Just because I do not run another distro does not mean that I can not. Get the <span style='color:blue' title='I&#39;m naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> out of my thread.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:43 pm
by daedalus__
boo_lolly wrote:hey jenk, bye bye. i'm done with the dev. delete my account.
I hope they do. If you ever aspire to be taken seriously in any technology forum then you need to learn how to use grace and tact.

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:20 am
by Chris Corbyn
Ok guys, everybody (myself included). Chuck a bucket of water over you to put the flames out then get back on topic or it will have to be locked ;)

boo_jolly, nobody's going to be deleting your account. If you don't want to come back, then don't... that's pretty easy.

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:44 pm
by brendandonhue
boo_lolly wrote:everah, no, i don't know everything there is to know about linux... but by starting with gentoo, i feel i have learned much more in a shorter amount of time than if i had started with any other distribution. i feel this is the case because gentoo doesn't let you do anything unless you do it 100% manually. meaning, you have to know (or study) everything there is to know about whatever tiny configuration you are trying to make. gentoo forces you to learn the heart of linux.
Yeah doing "emerge firefox" instead of "apt-get install firefox" really makes you a whole lot smarter than everyone else.

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:21 pm
by feyd
Don't fan the flames please.

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:57 am
by daedalus__
I finally finished re-installing and configuring Ubuntu on my laptop. :)

I'm dual-booting Ubuntu 6.10 and Windows XP Professional. I was able to get my touchpad configured and I updated my video drivers. To update my video drivers without ruining the whole system, I had to apt-get them and then edit xorg.conf manually and I can't install nvidia-settings without it uninstalling nvidia-glx. I don't know what it wants from me!

I finally got Counter-Strike working after some huge issues. First, I installed Windows fonts into ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts, then I installed Steam. I loaded Steam, the text was properly rendered and it started updating. It hung at 26% for a reason I still do not know. I found a suggestion somewhere to run a program steamTmp.exe with some cl options but that didn't work because it couldn't acces OpenGL. I updated my video card drivers, reloaded Steam, and it updated fine except for none of the text being rendered. I loaded Counter-Strike fine and even played a few rounds in my server but I still have no text being rendered in Steam since I updated my video card drivers. :/

I've learned a lot since I installed Ubuntu the other day and this is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm annoyed that I know next to nothing about this OS and all of it's pieces, the other day I was looking up bash commands. I haven't felt this lost inside of an OS since I was 12 years old.

It was all fun though. :)

EDIT:

I found a work-around for the text not appearing in Steam. Apparantly, even though the Windows fonts are present in the filesystem, the Winedows doesn't know they are there because you need to manually add registry entries for them. I was far too lazy for that so I added a string value under local_machine -> software -> microsoft -> windows_nt -> font_substitutes named Tahoma with a value of Verdana and it all works fine now!