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Authors Needed

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:10 pm
by cctrax
I really do not know if you all want me to post something like this, but I thought I would go ahead with it, since it really was my reason for being here (I know PHP...lol)

I can see that there are several of these already started, but I was once again looking to start a PHP site with a bunch of tutorials and articles...and see how large we can get the collection to be.

If any of you are interested in adding content to this website (of course you will be able to copyright anything you add to this site), please send me an EMAIL.

I have sent private messages to a few of you about this, and I am just looking for a few people to help get some content up on the site. (If I had to write everything myself...it could take a while)

Thanx!

***If I am breaking some kind of rule by posting this message, please delete it...no hard feelings :)***

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:37 pm
by jason
(If I had to write everything myself...it could take a while)
Which, in turn, would give you a great appreciation of what it takes to write for someone else. PHPComplete didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen just because I asked for help from everyone else.

Many people have starte PHP websites with the idea that they can get other authors to do the work for them. It simply doesn't happen that way.

You need to put forth the effort. Asking for help and not even providing a web address isn't going to get you far. Asking for help, and then giving an excuse as to why you yourself aren't putting the effort into your site isn't going to look good.

Don't take this as me telling you NOT to create a website. By all means, build one, build one better than PHPComplete! I would love to have another site to go to where I can read articles. I never discourage other's from doing what I do.

But I will tell you when you are barking up the wrong tree.

The website is yours, and that means its yours too build. It takes time to build a website and have it become popular (unless you have money for marketing, and then, even still...) and active.

Yours is not the first post like this we have gotten, and I would bet it won't be the last. I am simply telling you that from someone who is doing what many people want to do, you can't start off on the wrong foot.

Build a website not because you want to get visitors - it won't happen. Build a website because you want to build a website. And then build it, and work it. As time goes on, it will evolve on it's own. At a sane pace, and then one day, you will have a constant stream of businesses wanting to advertise with you, and you will drown in all the extra work this "hobby" has become, and yet, you won't make money from it.

But it's fun. So start off small, and if you can handle little or no feedback, keep working it. Eventually, you will get too much feedback. :D :D

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:16 pm
by cctrax
It's not so much that I want others to add the content to the site itself...but more so that I generally write articles that are more involved than they may need to be, and they generally take me a long while to complete.

I do have a core group of people who help me build the site, and each is off writting what they can (we have yet to post some of the items). I see now that I came off the wrong way in this request.

I do not want anyone to get the idea that I need them to build a help site for me. I mean, why pay the money for a host, and a site if you do not plan to build it. Expecially a help site such as this.

We are all putting as much time into the site as we can...but we each have a job outside of Reframe.Studios, and since that one pays the bills, we have to kinda live by it.

As for posting an address...I did not know if I should have posted this message at all, and that is why I left it out. For those of you who DO want to help in the future, by all means, visit the site (not all that much is up as of yet). http://www.reframestudios.com

We will just have to see how things come out...

(I hope I did not get a little offensive, but it did come across as you were pointing that I was not going to actually do any work on the site, which you may or may not have meant to do)

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 5:43 pm
by enygma
the news doesn't post itself on PHPDeveloper.org - I do it because I love it. And, thankfully, in turn - people like me for doing it.

Measuring the visitor count is nothing compared to the satisfaction that you get when people email you and thank you for running a great site.

It's not about ads, it's not about numbers - it's about people. Connecting them, sharing knowledge and making our little corner of the web a nicer, more useful place.

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:04 pm
by cctrax
enygma wrote:It's not about ads, it's not about numbers...
who ever said it was?

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 10:56 pm
by enygma
hmm...well, last time i checked - the rest of the world thinks it is. why would so many people be willing to abuse the ad formats of the world to sell themselves if it wasn't important?

Don't be defensive

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 11:02 pm
by EricS
ccTraxx,

He wasn't saying that you are in it for the money. He was pointing out that alot of others are. These people become disappointed and fail because visitors know when your in it for the money and not for the love of material found in it. It takes along time to get an information site to the point that it can survive on advertising and then pull in a profit as well. He was merely pointing out to anyone interested in reading the thread that you have to do it for the love first, and money second if that's what you want.

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:49 am
by cctrax
I really think we may be getting off on the wrong foot.

First of all, as for Reframe, the site is in no way going to make me any money. The larger it grows the more it is going to cost me, and I am fine with that. I just really hope people will take advantage of it.

enygma
It is a sad thing really that people use the internet as they do. Sure it is nice every so often to make money doing what you love to do, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, as far as advertisments go, I hate them and so does everyone else I know. They are the cheapest way to make money, and the most anoying...

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 8:12 am
by enygma
I wasnt trying to point fingers - just state facts.
There's just so much pressure out there on your site stats - if they're good enough or if they measure up to a certain level, then your site is considered "good".....too bad they usually miss the whole point of all of these interconnected machines - to share the information we each hold in our heads.

so, no - I'm not saying anything bad about your idea or what you're trying to do - just saying watch out. And focus more on content than anything else. There's already enough "fluff" pages out there :)

moo

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 6:35 pm
by James Pelow
I do my website (phpmac.com) because I love it. I love helping people with PHP and I love coding in PHP. They're right to say don't set out looking for incredible amounts of hits but build your site and have fun. Make it something people want, make it fun, useful etc. Make the site with a view of getting hits because you will be helping more people.

PHPmac.com has been open less then a year and things only got really good when I got allowed into the PHP Developers' Network.
I have had several sites - the first of which I opened on 1st May 1998 - when I was 11. It was my favourite site because it was so primitive, but I coded it myself so I was very proud. I got 100 hits after a few months and I was so chuffed when I saw the counter. Now I'm getting more then that in a day.

-James

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 11:27 pm
by jason
And James, you got into the PHPDN NOT because of a hit counter, not because of ads, but because when we visited your site, we saw something that was important, and the common theme to this thread: You were doing the site because you loved working on it. It was fun, and you didn't care about the hits. You just loved doing it, and if people came, then it was all the better.

So the fact that in the end, you worked your site, and built it up yourself just because you wanted to meant that when we saw your site, that is exactly what we saw.

We didn't get you into the PHPDN, you did that yourself.

I agree

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:50 am
by James Pelow
Absolutely - but in a site such as PHPmac.com or any on the PHPDN the ultimate goal of every webmaster is to get more hits because ultimately the more people that come, the more people that are helped by the site - Not because of money. You will notice PHPmac.com has no banner ads - this is because all I have ever needed has been provided by generous members of the PHPmac.com community so why should I reduce their enjoyment of the site by having a banner ad. I understand that in most sites this is impossible; but if it's possible it's a novelty in the internet today.

However, even if I only got 1 hit a day and it was from myself I would still continue. Because, as I said before I love it. I have been doing it from 1996 and I have always had a site up from 1998. It's a part of my life and that's how it should be. You need that level of dedication. All of the webmasters on the PHPDN have this and that's what makes it an excellent group of PHP sites.

-James

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:29 pm
by cctrax
sorry...I just did not like where this was going. I do not think that any of you are really pointing fingers, however all of a sudden, we began to talk about ads, and money, when my only intension was to get this site up as fast as possible, in order to "help people out."

BTW: Reframe is no longer the site I am working on...dont worry about it