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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:50 am
by Straterra
Michael 01 wrote:absolutely not. If there is one thing that really bothers me lately, its when people ask me what I do, and I tell them (besides my real job) that I do web design programming with php and databases, as well as graphic development, they always say "Yea, I program to." Of course, the statement leaves room for discussion, so I start rambling off twenty programming languages and they say "no..no...I do websites..you know...HTML....."
Oh...ok...and than of course the lecture leans towards how they can "hack" websites and really fondle their computer with these outrageous programs that sweep it for viruses and adware...like they have this computer thing down pat buddy....
In short, comparing HTML as a programming language within any realm of C++,C+,A+,php,CGI,pearl,visual basic,Ruby,ColdFusion, etc...etc.. would be like comparing MS Paint with Adobe photoshop as graphic engineering.
Hey..I like MSPaint...
http://eckclan.sytes.net/mspaint.exe 
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:52 am
by Dr Evil
Who are all these "Yes" voters ?
Dr Evil
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:56 am
by twigletmac
The head of IT at the school my husband teaches at really does believe that MS Paint is a graphics package and that getting the kids something decent to use (Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop Elements) would be a waste of money
Mac
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:05 pm
by Cruzado_Mainfrm
html: writing in markup tags... just like writing a note in your notepad
php: programming, less scripting, even though i consider php chunks of code with a purpose scripts
javascript: programming, scripting
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:39 pm
by Saethyr
<language> A formal language in which computer programs are
written. The definition of a particular language consists of
both syntax (how the various symbols of the language may be
combined) and semantics (the meaning of the language
constructs).
Languages are classified as low level if they are close to
machine code and high level if each language statement
corresponds to many machine code instructions (though this
could also apply to a low level language with extensive use of
macros, in which case it would be debatable whether it still
counted as low level). A roughly parallel classification is
the description as first generation language through to
fifth generation language.
Another major distinction is between imperative languages
and declarative languages.
Now according to everything I could find on programming language definitions, I would say that it is prolly closer to scripting then actual programming due to there being no structures such as conditionals, variable assignment or anything that makes up a programming language, it is however an interpreted language and it's interpreter is the browser, so it is, but, it isn't, it's the enigma of programming

So I voted yes on impluse, but I would actually have to agree that it is not a programming language because you are not issuing commands to the computer you are merely issuing commands to a browser which in turn displays it's preset value. It's a Markup Language not a programming language and so is XML.
As an after thought it kills me also when someone tells me how they are a programmer because they know HTML, my reply, "spend 10-12 hours staring into 10's of thousands of lines of a C or C++ program to find a memory leak, the your a programmer', or "Really? what was the last self sufficient program you made in HTML?".
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:35 pm
by infolock
NO
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:13 pm
by m3mn0n
lol @ anyone who voted yes
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:30 pm
by tecton
i still use mspaint for stuff
making stupid little gifs, cropping, ect
its just quick
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:41 pm
by jeanloui
Saethyr wrote:self sufficient
I agree with all you said.
But I do not understand the "self suficient" joke.
Can this C++ routine be "executed" alone (?)
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:28 pm
by malcolmboston
i thought id finally stop running away from the potential flaming here but i fancy getting hot anyway
personally i think it is, to a certain extent anyway
its no C++ dont get me wrong, but my personal opinion is that it is, i am probably biased as its the first language i ever learned, but i believe it is
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:51 am
by DuFF
No. Period. PHP isn't even a programming language in essence.
- A script is interpreted line by line every time it is run
- A true programming language is compiled from its human readable form(source code) into a machine readable form (binary code) which is delivered to the user as a program.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:53 am
by Michael 01
DuFF wrote:No. Period. PHP isn't even a programming language in essence.
- A script is interpreted line by line every time it is run
- A true programming language is compiled from its human readable form(source code) into a machine readable form (binary code) which is delivered to the user as a program.
You can do things with PHP that very much simulates C++. Functions, classes, conditions, operations, definitions etc...its all there. Because PHP has the basic engine of functions behind it, people assume that it really does not have the properties that define it as a stand alone language, however it all depends on the user, and what kind of library of functions or operations they wish to impose on their script that may have nothing to do with the actual PHP "behind the curtain" engine.
And......as far as MS paint goes, I give it credit, but nothing that is even considered a possible professional platform. MS paint has its strong points as it is quick, user friendly and yes, I did start out using it a long long time ago, but with todays new web standards, layers, feathering, gradients and the like, these can not be produced as effeciently or as graceful as the overwhelming and memory and hard disk hog Adobe.

Now..if someone were to suggest that Gimp is the <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> to any of the two mentioned...a disagreement would ensue.
A good topic poll would be the comparison of the three graphic programs very similar to this poll...*me plants the seeds of possible anger filled discussion*

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:13 am
by jeanloui
Michael 01 wrote:language is compiled
I think it's not necessary to be
compiled for being a program
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:34 am
by vigge89
nooooooo!
i clicked yes!, nooooooooo!
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:44 pm
by McGruff
This is all just semantics really - depends how you define "computer language". Define it one way, html is a language; define it another way it isn't.