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Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:41 am
by Nay
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Well Tim's theory on 'knack' is still better. I see some noobs brag over some blurred text that they call a master piece. That's of trying to put what they know altogeather. Example:
http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v13 ... layout.jpg
and comment from people:
I love that layout you did for your aa page Keep up the good work...I quit my aa cuz it looked plain...I still like xanga better, but nice job!!!
Don't ask where I got that from, it's horrifying. Anyhow, and the people who DO have the knack from graphics:
http://gallery.artofgregmartin.com/tuts ... ges/12.jpg
Bielieve it or not, that image is completely done in Photoshop. Check out some other work as well. Anyway, if you do want to try it out, and see if you've got some....ahem.....'knack'. Here's a link:
http://gallery.artofgregmartin.com/tuts ... field.html
-Nay
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ps: Did the tags help? =)
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:44 am
by tim
lol Nay, yeah i've seen some nasty, NASTY looking graphics. The guy told me he paid money for that!
I said I could have done something better and I suck with graphics. But i'm glad you might have seen something that punk didnt see in my post.
btw punk - sorry if I got angry. Work problems =[
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:47 am
by feyd
great googamook that's amazingly bad.
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:54 am
by Nay
lol yeah, it's sad how it reduces the name of honest and good freelancers like us. *rolls eyes*. Anyway, I once ran over a client who paid for a site which looked something like this:
http://isphost.org/.
It was indescribable. Anyhow, I was thinking, if that was worth $700, then If i charged 'accordingly', I could be a millionaire by now

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-Nay
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:00 pm
by Draco_03
Tim ..
what you say is partly true...
the fact is EVRYONE can design.. the only thing is motivation (like you said)
But no.. skills it's not something you "have in you" skills are somethings you learn, by yourself or with helps of others.
Why then is there people better then others? well it''s like pretyt much everything most of people are lazy (including me) and so if i have a "natural talent" in design i have to spend way "LESS" effort than someone who doesn't havE A TALENT. BUT that doean t mean that if you don't have the skill.. just go home buddy cuz you will never create awesome graphs.
Anyways, i'm a designer, and my best friend also is. He DOES have a huge talent for the arts in general. He had to put little effort to create something really nice.
Me on the other hands i stare at a blank page for like 3 hours befor i start something..
But overall, I can make as good design as he could.
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:04 pm
by tim
the concept of design and the actual design is different
I can come up with great looking images/design layout, making those images is hard for me, if not damn near impossible.
I disagree with you fully. I took art classes and image courses, I still cant sit down and draw a beautiful piece of art, on paper on in a program.
Other people (like if you watch monster garage) they just sketch (in seconds) and they just made a awesome image.
So for skill/natuarl talent, you wont get me to say you dont have to have them to do good.
Or you could make crap and say its good. if thats the case, i agree
btw - Nay, do you have a folder in your favorites that says "Web pages with horrible image graphics?"
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:08 pm
by Nay
Draco_03 wrote:
Anyways, i'm a designer
Riiiiiiiiiiight...
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tim wrote:
btw - Nay, do you have a folder in your favorites that says "Web pages with horrible image graphics?"
Why don't we start a collection?

. I know quite a few sites which has quite a few links to quite a few horrifying web pages. I'll be sure to post them up in General Dicussion later

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-Nay
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:20 pm
by Draco_03
Tim hehe
i SUUCKK at drawing.. but on ps.. it s all another hand..
but if you can't make a design(with PS that is)..
you prolly just don't fully know the extent of the programme.. or just don't practice.. i stopped designing 2 months.. now i really suck.. i can't figure out a way to make a site i wan t to..
it s bad.. so i'll have to restart practicing for about another month (2-3 hours a day) just to make stuff..
Just to prove you i'm right..
cuz obviously i m always right
try to make something today.. the best you can
do the same thing in 2-3 weeks after you played around every day..
I garantee that you will have really improved..
PS : okay other thing.. you have to practice your eye, meaning BROWSE and look sites.. try to rip one you find nice.. just to see if you can then you continue trying you ll eventually build up a bunch of thing you'll repeat in all most of your design like dots or arrows..nyways
OH and tim.. I KNOW you WILL disagree...

Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:22 pm
by Draco_03
DAAHH NAY !!!!!
hehe i wish we could choose our title ..
in another hands, i want to be programmer too..jsut don't practice enough

so i really suck...
eventually i ll take time to do it..(getting my internet in back 2night ..i ve been without internet home for too long!!!)
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:23 pm
by tim
Draco_03 wrote:I KNOW you WILL disagree...
ahhhhhh - save me the time. Oh well we cant all be alike. if we was, the world would suck.
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ahhh what the heck.
All I was saying/trying to say, is that
I believe there has to be some natural talent... Practice does make perfect, but define perfect? Like said, a graphic that is the awesome most best in the entire world in reality sucks. Anyone can apply a filter of some sort to get some cheap effect (I can do that

)
For someone to free hand draw or get in touch with a program and do really good, would need some self-taught-natural-talent. There are people born that would want to do nothing cept pee and color, those are the people that grow up to be what I call - good artist with natural talent due to their ability to draw and create fantastic graphics without much need of a effect-producing filter/program/anything.
lol, man all this arguing over PAINTING and GRAPHICS got me hungry.
Roast and beer at my house for anyone interested. n no you dont have to be an artist/programmer to be invited
=]
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:24 pm
by Draco_03
indeed

Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:26 pm
by Nay
Draco_03 wrote:
so i really suck...
So you aren't niether Programmer nor Designer
-Nay
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:29 pm
by Draco_03
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i'm a designer you fool
And i really good <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> talker too..So i actually could occupy a high position in a huge compagny

Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:32 pm
by Nay
haha, oh look we're spamming PHPDN again. Darn, how long I have missed this. I well could talk to you on MSN but then, it isn't as fun, you know? Hey, tim, join us

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-Nay

Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:36 pm
by tim
oh on the contrary
I have $5 bucks i'm going to slip jason to spare me. fend for yourselves
