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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:18 pm
by qads
but how many things does it screw up? i hardly have to edit anything if i make it with dreamwaver, its better then lot of others when it comes to its thing, its a shame it has soo many bugs.

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:20 pm
by Vicious
qads wrote:
LiLpunkSkateR wrote:I'd suggest Microsoft Frontpage.

*ducks*

jk! i use winSyntax. :P
i use it, just for tables though, have to edit them later aswell..its a dirty habbit..i need help :(
I do to it saves me awhole bunch of time. Its not a habit im just lazy

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:26 pm
by feyd
it takes me far less time to code a page in a text editor than it ever does in a WYSIWYG editor... I have to spend so much time fixing all the really stupid things the WYS did.. it's just a waste.

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:34 pm
by Bill H
To whomever suggested Front Page: yecch. It's worse than Dreamweaver. I use Crimson Editor because I like the syntax highlighting and some of the indenting and macro features. It's nice and lightweight. I gave up on WYSIWYG editors a long time ago.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:57 am
by patrikG
snpo123 wrote:
patrikG wrote:I'd recommend komodo: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
How much better than dwmx would you say it is (as in, is WYSIWYG really WYSIWYG, does it crash often, bugs, erros, ect)?


Ha, so I see dreamweaver has made more people than me mad. :) Anyone else have any suggestions?
It doesn't compare. It's a pure IDE with the best text-editor I've seen, code-folding, very beautiful(!) syntax highlighting for pretty much any language out there, CVS, macros - in short: highly customisable based on open standards. Macros, for example, are saved as Javascriptlets. It runs on Windows, Linux - even Solaris!

I haven't had it crash on me, no real bugs - if Komodo was a woman, I'd definitely find out more about her.

I used to work with Homesite for years, then switched to Zend which I really liked, but took up too much resources and slowed everything down - and am with Komodo now. Very fast, smooth and powerful.

A WYSIWYG editor for PHP is the wrong tool. You can't "visually" output PHP. A texteditor is the weapon of choice.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:40 am
by Grim...
patrikG wrote:I used to work with Homesite for years, then switched to Zend which I really liked, but took up too much resources and slowed everything down - and am with Komodo now. Very fast, smooth and powerful.
Damnit!
I've just switched to Zend on your advice and now you're using something else?

Grr...

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:15 am
by patrikG
Yeah, Zend is a very good product, but my machine was too slow for it. I don't know any programmer who isn't missing something or is unhappy about their editor - they are constantly keeping their eyes open for other products.

But hey, download Komodo - they have a free trial, and see if you like it. For the moment I feel like I've arrived :)

Re: I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD IT!!!!!!!!

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:18 am
by JayBird
snpo123 wrote:Or tell me if I'm just not using dreamweaver right.
Hmmmmm.....

I don't know what you are doing, but i love dreamweaver.

I have been using it since the first version and will never switch to anything else. I love it!

And as for Dreamweaver screwing up code, that is none-sense. I have beenusing dreamweaver for years now and it never screws up my code.

As for it crashing all the time and being buggy. Are these bought version you are using? There was a warez release which was terrible, it even put me off until i bought the full version.

Mark

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:06 am
by malcolmboston
i agree with mark

i personally have been using dreamweaver since 1.2 and won't use anything else now, others are just pretenders such as frontpage etc

Dreamweaver doesnt screw with your code at all, thats a myth in my personal opinion, also it saves a huge amount of time

i havent got mx 2004 because from what i here, its mainly aimed at CSS, and seeing as i write that out in editpad, i dont really want to fork at another small fortune for it.

just thought i would add, i have never had dreamweaver do this to me, and i have done some very complex layouts with it, and when i click, check my code, it always says no problems found.

Maybe its just me i don't know, notepad sucks, how anyone uses that is a joke, its not clever being able to code in notepad, anyone can code HTML, try DHTML in notepad, that can prove tricky.

What im saying is alot of people say "DW sux, Notepad where its at", imho this is for people who think its "cool" to not use a WYSIWYG editor and code in notepad and want to show off a bit, this is 2004, theres absolutely no reason to not use one

My $0.02

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:17 am
by patrikG
malcomboston wrote:What im saying is alot of people say "DW sux, Notepad where its at", imho this is for people who think its "cool" to not use a WYSIWYG editor and code in notepad and want to show off a bit, this is 2004, theres absolutely no reason to not use one
Dreamweaver produces web-pages. If you need to quickly do that: great, it's a very good tool. For programming, however, it's not very suited. Yes, there is phakt, the Dreamweaver PHP plugin, but you are lacking things like code-folding, CVS, error-highlighting, function and variable definition prompting etc. etc. And what if you need other programming languages?

"Dreamweaver vs. Notepad" is not a serious discussion - try out some text-editors (e.g. Komodo) and see where they are at. This is indeed 2004 and Dreamweaver does its thing nicely, but is, per se, not a programming tool in my book. I've worked with Dreamweaver and found it very cumbersome. Try Komodo - you'll see the difference.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:20 am
by redmonkey
Zend seems pretty good if you are purely developing PHP as it is an IDE specific to PHP. I do find it very resource hungry though and there are various little touches that I feel are missing.

I had alot of problems (stability wise) with Komodo many many moons ago, however, I have been trying out v2.5 and things certainly seem to be more stable. In terms of speed/performance I still find it quite slow though (but I'm still using it).

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:45 am
by malcolmboston
patrikG wrote: Dreamweaver produces web-pages. If you need to quickly do that: great, it's a very good tool. For programming, however, it's not very suited.
from what i was aware this topic was about design not programming, anyone who argues that dreamweaver is the ultimate PHP programming is wrong, try zend

i personally use

(Design (HTML)) Dreamweaver MX
(Programming (PHP)) Zend Development Studio

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:46 am
by qads
Zend didnt work out for me, i downloaded the trial version, if i open anything else (even IE), it would just go all blank, thats pretty usesless considering i have 1.8GZ computer with 256mb ram, which should be enough for it.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:36 am
by infolock
homesite for php coding and dreamweaver for for design is my philosophy. have used both and they work great.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:16 pm
by tim
blah, dreamweaver still sucks. Would never ever be caught with it on my computer!

I wont disgrace my baby by having that on its HD

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