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FireFox vs. Internet Explorer

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:48 pm
by evilmonkey
i want to hear some opinions, but please: no M$ bashing, and no talk of security. I know we all hate M$, and I know that IE is insecure. I want to make the switch mainly because IE is about 3 years behind progress. It still relies on HTML 3.2, while HTML 4.1 is already up and kicking. Unfortunatly, the majority of the population still uses IE, and most sites are made and optimized for it.

Let's hear some opinions!

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:12 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Firefox is compatible with most new standards if not all.
Internet explorer comes with windows. It's much easier for the general public to just double click and start browsing instead of downloading firefox. They're lazy.

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:30 pm
by feyd
I recently switched to Firefox, because it renders faster than IE. Since I have some serious patience issues (yay, broadband!) .... It will likely never take the lead as long as IE comes with Windows, as LilPunk stated, people are down right lazy. Once they get fed up, if they get fed up, then they'd switch.. but I dunno what they'd switch to.. maybe Firefox, maybe Mozilla, maybe Netscape.. it could be Lynx for all I know.. ;) Windows will likely remain a business institution for a good while, which will prepetuate the usage and acceptance of IE. Hopefully IE7 will be nicely robust and all that jazz. :)

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:05 am
by anjanesh
I tested all my sites in IE6 all this time until I found out IE6 still accepts JS code not acceptable in other browsers.
But here many people still prefer IE to others because they are simply used to IE and not want to migrate to FireFox. After I found abt FireFox I installed it in all systems in one cafe owned by my friend and recommended customers to try it but no they won't. Inspite of installing FireFox in the cafe people here still want to use IE because they think thats the best browser.
Convincing is just next to impossible here. Guess M$ is ruling and will still rule if IE7 comes out soon enough. 99.999999% of not-free s/w here is totally pirated and there is still no law governing on such matters. So no one here really uses linux. Only once the cyber law starts coming up into serious consideration will people switch to linux because no one in India is ever going to buy s/w. (1$US=Rs45 here)

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:18 am
by vigge89
LiLpunkSkateR wrote: Internet explorer comes with windows. It's much easier for the general public to just double click and start browsing instead of downloading firefox. They're lazy.
It's not that they're lazy, most of the time it's becuase they don't know that there are other browsers :P

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:39 am
by jgarra23
It's not that they're lazy, most of the time it's becuase they don't know that there are other browsers

I agree with this. I tell everyone I know about firefox all the time. Often times they don't like it & go back (usually to ie) but then they hear reinforcement and they end up switching... like the homeland security reccomendation for not using ie, the tabbed-browsing. ..

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:32 am
by patrikG
Browser Statistics: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
anjanesh wrote:I tested all my sites in IE6 all this time until I found out IE6 still accepts JS code not acceptable in other browsers.
IE's impelementation of Javascript 1.2+ standards is somewhat arbitrary at best. Try doing some regular expressions in Javascript. Works fine standard compliant browsers like Mozilla (that includes Firefox), only in IE it breaks because IE has a different implementation.

For developers Firefox is a treasure-trove of scalability, extremely useful helpers (sync. bookmarks, developer's bar, RSS-feed, magpie, linky...etc) and bookmark-manager that simply outclasses IE which seems about two generations older by now. Mind you, Microsoft has fired up their IE development recently and are actively renovating and improving it.

While Firefox has the lead by a long shot in terms of technological development, IE matters simply because over 70% are still using it.

Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:10 am
by evilmonkey
Hmm, according to the browser statistics from that site, Mozilla (I suppose that includes firefox) is gaining some ground, at least 1% a month, sometimes more. We might be going somewhere with this.

Like I said, the reason I'm contemplating the switch is because IE is grossly outdated in terms of HTML and JS. I don't really care about favourites (I don't use them), the built-in mail client (I use Outlook, not Outlook Express), the HTML editor (that's a laugh for someone who has Dreamweaver AND Front Page), or anything else (Except tabbed browsing, that's convinient).

From what I have seen so far, FireFox is a very nice product. I would reccommend it over IE.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:49 pm
by Deemo
Firefox is so easily customizable, and thats what i love about it. you can easily switch themes, extentions, and everything. you can basicly change every aspect of the product, and thats what i think makes it REALLY good

plus its faster, and everything else that eveyrone has already said

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:59 am
by Vicious
patrikG wrote:Browser Statistics: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
anjanesh wrote:I tested all my sites in IE6 all this time until I found out IE6 still accepts JS code not acceptable in other browsers.
IE's impelementation of Javascript 1.2+ standards is somewhat arbitrary at best. Try doing some regular expressions in Javascript. Works fine standard compliant browsers like Mozilla (that includes Firefox), only in IE it breaks because IE has a different implementation.

For developers Firefox is a treasure-trove of scalability, extremely useful helpers (sync. bookmarks, developer's bar, RSS-feed, magpie, linky...etc) and bookmark-manager that simply outclasses IE which seems about two generations older by now. Mind you, Microsoft has fired up their IE development recently and are actively renovating and improving it.

While Firefox has the lead by a long shot in terms of technological development, IE matters simply because over 70% are still using it.
15% Developers :)

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:40 am
by Grim...
I'm trying Firefox out right now.

It seems okay, but its autocomplete is bugging me.
I guess I'll get used to it.

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:39 pm
by evilmonkey
I'm prertty sure there's a way to turn it off. :?

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:51 pm
by Draco_03
says it all

i'm a windows user but hell firefox has so many extension (devloper tool is like AWESOME)
and it follows W3C rules

8)

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:01 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
autocomplete? explain please

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:03 pm
by Draco_03
in a from after you typed once something (in a textfield)
next time you type in it it'll get you a sort of drop down where you could just click on what you written befor
it's "faster" when you repeatdly enter same information on a given website but can be annoying