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donkey Vs. elephant

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:59 pm
by tim
Okay guys, I dont want this to be a fighting topic. Please a peaceful debate and lets act like adults :D

Seeing its getting to that time, election time, heres the question and i'll lay it on ya nice n thick:

are you a Democrat/republican/neither and what are your grounds for your choice?

I'm a elephant. I like Bush, and will vote for him again. Given what he done and accomplished as president, i'm happy. Not every president has a chance to serve such a term as he did. The last big attack on the US was all the way in the 1940's with Pearl Harbor. That is a very long time ago, and I think Bush handled and did what the nation needed n called for. Given with what he had to work with, I believe he did well! You say so and so would have been better (i'm refering to Gore) but what would he have done? An example needed to be made, and a course of war needed to be taken to prevent such further attacks. Such routes are last thought about with democrats.

I could go on n on, but i'll leave some room for debate =]

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:27 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Neither! I vote kangeroo.

Bush is a war-loving texan who can't keep his bombs to himself.
Kerry is a flipflopping liberal who doesn't know how to run a country.

Our country needs prayer to get through the next four years. :lol:

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:42 am
by John Cartwright
I elect Feyd. Hands Down.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:15 am
by evilmonkey
Meh, not our country (eh, Phenom)? :P Feyd for President (of the United States, of course).

Seriously though, I'm more conservative than liberal, and I believe in morals and ethics for all. If the terrorists think they can get away with killing 3000 people in the name of thier religion, then I think it's okay for Bush to kill however many people neccesary to stop that from heppenning again. You can't serisouly expect to fly a plane into a tall building and expect it to go without consequences. They got what they desreve and Bush was a good enough leader to stand up for his country.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:54 am
by Draco_03
I think it's okay for Bush to kill however many people neccesary to stop that from heppenning again
With respect, i disagree, what you just said here is exactly the kind of attitude that will "cause" more problems than solve.

9/11 happend because people who had power though exactly like you just did. But unfortunatly for us, they were "against" us.
A country (any one) has only "his" own interest at heart, and it eventually lead to 2 or more country to disagree on things, and eventually to brute force.
I would like to know how many of you that are for the war in iraq (or in this case "were" for the war) actually "know" what it imply.
anyways. Hopefully it'll all be okay. Meantime, i'l goo kill some terroriste in counter-strike 8)
ps : 9/11 and iraq has nothing to do 2gether.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:49 am
by Buddha443556
I'm not registered with any political party. I'm voting for Bush because our enemies hate him the most. That simple. I just don't see Kerry or anyone else coming close to Bush in this department.

I really don't think any other issues matter either. I can't really find a distinction between the Republican and the Democrates on domestic issues any more. Basically they both want to screw the middle class, give the poor lip service while they have their hands out to the rich for all they can get. Neither seem interested in finding answers to the problems that face America. They're too busy fight among themselves to look for answers.

I would just like to have a real choice. Almost 300,000,000 people in the USA and only two parties ... oh and Nader? Gee what a choice!? Russia has what 44 political parties? The Russian also had almost 70% voter turnout for their 2000 Presidential race. Something is messes up here in the good old US of A.

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age or maybe I'm just tired of being !@#$ with by both parties.

Remember you get what you pay for and this rant wasn't even worth two cents.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:30 pm
by ast3r3x
evilmonkey wrote:
...If the terrorists think they can get away with killing 3000 people in the name of thier religion, then I think it's okay for Bush to kill however many people neccesary to stop that from heppenning again...
:roll: You can't be serious. Why don't we just nuke all of Pakistan and Iran, and why not Turkey while we are at it. Who knows where the terrorists could be hiding. You know what? I don't like Iraq either, let's nuke them too...loyalists to Saddam could are still there. Our 3,000 is much more important then losses we will lose during military campaigns and innocent citizens of those countries right? No matter how many?
Buddha443556 wrote:I'm not registered with any political party. I'm voting for Bush because our enemies hate him the most. That simple. I just don't see Kerry or anyone else coming close to Bush in this department.

I really don't think any other issues matter either. I can't really find a distinction between the Republican and the Democrates on domestic issues any more. Basically they both want to screw the middle class, give the poor lip service while they have their hands out to the rich for all they can get. Neither seem interested in finding answers to the problems that face America. They're too busy fight among themselves to look for answers.

I would just like to have a real choice. Almost 300,000,000 people in the USA and only two parties ... oh and Nader? Gee what a choice!? Russia has what 44 political parties? The Russian also had almost 70% voter turnout for their 2000 Presidential race. Something is messes up here in the good old US of A.

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age or maybe I'm just tired of being !@#$ with by both parties.

Remember you get what you pay for and this rant wasn't even worth two cents.
*deep breath*

Where to begin? Voting for Bush because they hate him, excellent idea. I think you should also vote for him because our allies hate him too. Hate hate hate hate hate. Perhaps you'd like him better should he go club some baby seals :lol:

You don't see distinction between the parties on domestic issues?! Lets see, bush has decided to save the wealthy the most, while the government free falls into more and more debt. How do we pay for things still? We sell bonds to the rich who use the money they saved to buy them.

The tax cuts are are ridiculous anyways. Unless your rich, they are a bribe for stupid people. It's like telling someone they can pay you $16 to stick on an inspection sticker now, and not inspect it, or have it inspected things fixed, and pay $160 to get everything working properly. Short term, yeah $16 is good, but I plan on living in this country for a long time, don't you?

Our middle class is shrinking, and the poverty class is growing. Guess how Bush wants to fix that. He wants to stop hard workers, who are willing to work their asses off to be able to have better lives from being able to get mandatory overtime pay. I really can't believe he would even propose that, can someone please explain his thinking on how this would help the economy? Why don't we just lower, hey, let's just get rid of minimum wage.

How about environment? How about going to war over a lie? Hey maybe it wasn't a lie, maybe it was misinformation, but how about going to war for the wrong reasons. Iraq had nothing to do with 911...who disputes that?

I think it's really a powerful statement when the anarchists want to ally themselves with Kerry, because they Bush is that bad. Oh, you probably want to vote for Bush for that, more hatred right?

Kerry is a flip flopper? I'd rather a person change their opinion based on the available information at the time them stay with your choice just because your stubborn. Your in a building that is on fire. You tell everyone to go through the door to your right. When you grab the door handle, and it's hot because there is a fire in the other room. Don't go hold the handle and continue getting burnt because you said that is the way you are going to go. Just admit you were wrong and find another way.

I think you need to investigate more my friend. I am poking fun at you, and don't mean for this post to be taken harshly at all.

Lunch break over :lol:

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:38 pm
by feyd
Just a warning to everyone: If this thread becomes too heated it will be locked.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:49 pm
by ast3r3x
feyd wrote:Just a warning to everyone: If this thread becomes too heated it will be locked.
I'll be good I promise. 8)

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:16 pm
by Joe
Bush cannot even accomplish his missions let alone be fit for another election.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:29 pm
by Buddha443556
ast3r3x I admit it's not a great reason to vote for anyone. However, the only choices I'm being give are extreme ones. Kerry is no less extreme than Bush. Heck they're direct opposites. Oh and Nader now there's a moderate!? <sarcasm> The moderate answers America needs isn't going to be found by any of them. Give me a moderate choice and I'll find a more moderate reason to go vote.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:35 pm
by evilmonkey
I wrote:I think it's okay for Bush to kill however many people neccesary to stop that from heppenning again
Alrgiht, that was a bit too rash, and perhaps misguided and I didn't intend for it to mean what you thought it meant. I merely meant to say that Bush dealt with the threat facing America, and that was right and just.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:15 pm
by tim
Draco_03 wrote:
ps : 9/11 and iraq has nothing to do 2gether.
You can sit there and tell me if Saddam had a chance to hit the US like the US was hit on sept 11, he wouldn't have? Please, no disrespect, but Saddam is as lethal as anyone. Not to mention he posions his own people and a 100% vote from the people of Iraq? PLEASE, how many iraq people did I see on tv throwing and burning pictures/banners of him. Too many to even count, I donttttttt think that saddam got their vote, yet he did. Bush knew he had to finish what his father started, now a big terrorist is in custody (saddam) and a country of oil and stuff we can begin to establish a better relationship with them as they establish a better government. To say Iraq was unnessesary, is to say Apple pie isnt american.
Joe wrote:Bush cannot even accomplish his missions let alone be fit for another election.
You would say capturing many top taliban officals and Saddam (one of thee biggest threats) isnt accomplishing his missions? I think u should watch more tv and get in touch with the real views before you speak your opinion

Again, no disrepect to anyone here, but i'm just peacefully pointing out some views on some other views.

good debate so far tho, no "i'll kill you" cause feyd will kill this thread!

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:24 pm
by evilmonkey
tim wrote: Not to mention he posions his own people and a 100% vote from the people of Iraq? PLEASE, how many iraq people did I see on tv throwing and burning pictures/banners of him. Too many to even count, I donttttttt think that saddam got their vote, yet he did.
Does seem a little wierd, doesn't it? But you have to remeber that it's either vote Saddam or watch your family be...tortured (I had something else at the tip of my tongue, but I'll hold it in).

Also, let's not forget the scud missles he threw on Tel Aviv and the attacks on Kuwait and Iran. Saddam was like poison to the middle east, and you can't say that the region is not better off without him. Whether he had anything to do with September 11 is irrelevant, it's the fact that he is a threat that made Bush take up arms against him.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:30 pm
by tim
evil i could go on n on about what Saddam has done to his people and others. He had women n children beaten/raped/ and all for his "Imperial Guards" which is his "elite army" which couldnt do nothing to our military cept suicide-based kills.

Like you said evil, the region of Iraq and all ground/water/air in the entire world is better off with him being behind bars instead leader of a place where he has access to missiles and other harmful mechanisms/gases.

The taliban is mostly destroyed. Its fact that they were planning more attacks on the US. To say that was a worthless attack, wow i just cant even stand there and think we dont belong in the middle east.