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The Developer Attitude
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:28 pm
by wasabi
Some people need more then just "try searching the forum"or read this and read that.
I have noticed some people need to be reminded that not everyone has the natural ability to write code. I'm one of those people. I'm a visual person by nature and think differently to programmers. I'm a qaulifed graphic designer and have worked within the web industry for 5 years now. Over the 5 years I have notice the lack of tolerance displayed by web developers towards the designers, but they forget without designers and newbies they wouldn't be where they are now.
So heres to the web developers
Cheers.
This is by no means an attack on web developers.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:31 pm
by tim
the big problem for us 'developers' is knowing how to seperate the lazy people from the people who would do more then copy n paste the code but to actually examine it and attempt to learn.
Again, its one of those situations where one bad spoils it regardless.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:34 pm
by wasabi
Yes totally agree with you.
I have made an effort to learn what I know and sometimes I get stuck. But I never give up trying.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:06 am
by feyd
I encounter people wanting an answer without understanding the path to get there far too often. Having said that, the general assumption is starting in that direction, and likely will remain there for a while, until the person(s) show remarkable growth (without asking us in lots of posts for code snippets, instead of the theories and processes behind the code)
Now, if the right questions are asked, the beginning assumption changes. Those are ones about theory, over substance.

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:33 am
by m3mn0n
Chinese Proverb wrote:Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:48 am
by CoderGoblin
It is a fact that it can be difficult to find the command you need in the manuals if you don't have any idea what the command is. Unfortunely it becomes apparant after a very short time looking at these forums that many, not all, people posting questions do so with very little preliminary effort and have not thought to look at the forum guidelines. Things I look for
1) Perform a search for an existing answer.
2) A good maningful title helps (not just help please).
3) In the topic text show you have thought about it or made some effort to find a solution
4) use the
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tags
5) If the problem is solved change the subject topic to be [SOLVED]
I don't mind supplying code if I feel that the user will not just look at the code, copy, paste it and then ignore what is actually does or look at what the commands are. Where commands are difficult to find within a manual I try to point out the command with other useful ones where appropriate or have a direct link to the relevent page.
You must always bear in mind that people are trying to help on these forums and provide answers in their "free time" with no additional benefit. Is it too much to ask that a little thought and effort is used beforehand ?
As for Developers and Web Designers etc... Both have different skill sets and unfortunately while developing these skills they develop different "thought patterns". The way they look at things like manuals are different. If you want to be a web designer or "pretend to be one" you need to know how a web designer solves problems they encounter and vice versa... Code development isn't just a matter of coding, it is also knowing how to find solutions, be it with learnt knowledge, looking at a manual, a google search for a tutorial or even going out and buying a book.
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:28 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Sami wrote:Chinese Proverb wrote:Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
somewhere else wrote:Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
Sorry.. had to..

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:01 pm
by Slacker
I've been 'playing' with various programming, scripting, and web languages for a couple of years now. From the beginning, there was not a piece of code I couldn't pick apart and understand. My problem has always been with writing the code. I am forever referring back to manuals for basic syntax rules. I still forget it, even after having coded a hundred different files.
Before I post something, I try to find the answer in manuals/online/etc. But for us 56k'ers, loading pages anymore is ridiculously slow, so I sometimes give up before I should.
So with that said, I'm having trouble with my latest PHP script. How do I write a 1 line script that will gain me passwords to any password protected site I punch in?

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:08 pm
by Weirdan
Slacker wrote:
Before I post something, I try to find the answer in manuals/online/etc. But for us 56k'ers, loading pages anymore is ridiculously slow, so I sometimes give up before I should.
AFAIK, both the PHP and MySQL sites have published offline versions of the manuals for their products. Get them once and you won't need to surf there every time you need to lookup something in the manual.
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:11 pm
by Slacker
Already have them.

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:33 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Slacker wrote:So with that said, I'm having trouble with my latest PHP script. How do I write a 1 line script that will gain me passwords to any password protected site I punch in?

Is it ok if it's in HTML? It's el leeto.

Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:07 pm
by Slacker
Sure, but it has to be HTML 1.0.
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:20 am
by m3mn0n
LiLpunkSkateR wrote:Sami wrote:Chinese Proverb wrote:Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
somewhere else wrote:Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
Sorry.. had to..


Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:53 am
by patrikG
It would help if people would take note of this:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - if you've showed efford, but simply don't know the way and ask basic questions: no prob.
If you make no effort and expect people to do the search for you -
My 2p
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:33 am
by vigge89
Slacker wrote:
So with that said, I'm having trouble with my latest PHP script. How do I write a 1 line script that will gain me passwords to any password protected site I punch in?

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<?php print_r (fetch_password("http://forums.devnetwork.net")); ?>