substitution to a hub-- help!

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Just get a switch. They're cheap and it will work.

The problem that you are experiencing is likely due to a single pc that is configured with a different duplexing or speed than the rest of the pc's on the hub. ie. If one pc on the hub is running at 10baseT then everything on the hub runs 10baseT -- also hubs are half duplex by nature which is going to make things slower.

Set it up like this:

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Cable Modem --> Router ---Wire to room--> Switch --> desktop
                      |--> comp               |--> laptop
                      |--> laptop             |--> xbox
I would recommend that you stay away from having 2 routers in your house. If you have a router chained to another router you will not likely be able to communicate through the routers "firewall" to the isolated subnet. You will be able to go the other way however.

I have 2 switches, 2 routers, 3 hubs at my house (almost fully populated) and have been through almost every scenario. A switch will give you the speed you require with a simple configuration.
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Just get a switch. They're cheap and it will work.

The problem that you are experiencing is likely due to a single pc that is configured with a different duplexing or speed than the rest of the pc's on the hub. ie. If one pc on the hub is running at 10baseT then everything on the hub runs 10baseT -- also hubs are half duplex by nature which is going to make things slower.
I think you overlooked what I said... 10baset nics are obsolete. Standard nics are 10/100 unless you special order a 10baset...

I am leaving this post though. It should be a no brainer to get the router but if you want to save 20 bucks, get the switch. ur just not gonna have the control though as you do with a router...
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I think you overlooked what I said... 10baset nics are obsolete. Standard nics are 10/100 unless you special order a 10baset...
You can set the speed of the NIC via the driver in the OS. 10baseT cards still exist although it is not clear which machine is the culprit in this post. He could have a 10baseT card or misconfigured 10/100 card.

The duplexing will only be 1/2 regardless of how you look at it with a hub.

With a router, how would one configure the router to allow file transfers through the other router without forwarding ports? Even if the ports were forwarded you are only going to be able to configure 1 machine on subnet2 to communicate both ways between subnet one and subnet two.

Therefore a switch is the cheapest and most compatible option.
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Thats true I deal with a lot of port forwarding and all that and wouldn't really enjoy always having to configure the routers to have the same settings. Thanks a lot for the relies guys, I know what has to be done :)
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Well, man I said I wouldn't post here but you've went and done it..

You can set the speed of the NIC via the driver in the OS. 10baseT cards still exist although it is not clear which machine is the culprit in this post. He could have a 10baseT card or misconfigured 10/100 card.

The duplexing will only be 1/2 regardless of how you look at it with a hub.

With a router, how would one configure the router to allow file transfers through the other router without forwarding ports? Even if the ports were forwarded you are only going to be able to configure 1 machine on subnet2 to communicate both ways between subnet one and subnet two.

Therefore a switch is the cheapest and most compatible option.
Correct me if I"m wrong, how many cicsco classes have you taken? 2 ?

#1, A misconfigured 10/100 card?? Are you kidding me? This isn't 1989 when people are fighting to control old and newer machines to communicate with each other. 10/100 is 10/100 simply just in CASE one needs to use a 10bt... This goes for your duplexing argument too...

#2, "With a router, how would one configure the router to allow file transfers through the other router without forwarding ports?" What do you think a router is for man? To act like a hub? That's the routers PURPOSE. You will learn about this in Cisco III...

#3, "Even if the ports were forwarded you are only going to be able to configure 1 machine on subnet2 to communicate both ways between subnet one and subnet two.." if that was true, we would have 5000 routers for a 5000 computer network.

I'm not bashing you man, I'm simply tired of hearing someone post incorrect information on a board. Learn about the subject before going off.

Lastly, I want to make something very, very clear to you man. A router is a switch, but an intelligent switch. So, your "more compatiable" statement is mundane...



As I said, and will say, for the 3rd time, if you want to get away with something that will work for less money, get a switch. If you want something that will allow more control, at just a few bucks more, get a router.


Edit: BTW, you may want to look up what a switch's purose is before trying to use it's role as a router...
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Wow, you seem pretty angry... I take it that you are the kind of person who is ALWAYS right.

Cisco classes? Ok... I understand the insult. Not really necessary. You might be suprised how much I know about the subject.

Misconfigured card scenario happens all the time. I have encountered strange things with NICs where they just decide to flake and negotiate to 10Mb. I'm supprised that someone would think this doesn't happen. I saw it 3 times last week... brand new gear... doesn't always work...

I am well aware that someone can configure a cisco router to perform the work necessary. I was assuming that he wasn't about to program routing tables into an expensive cisco router. Last time I checked, cheap linksys/SMC/Netgear etc... "routers" don't have the features you are describing. I was simply trying to point out that a CABLE/DSL router is going to cause more problems than it's worth. Next time I will be more specific... sorry to offend -- just trying to help.

I understand what you are saying and don't feel like arguing the points because the guy has the info he was looking for; if you are still mad send me a private message.

Happy holidays... :mrgreen:
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Take it as you will, but i'm by far not mad :) I was more disturbed by your inaccurate information you were trying to relay to this guy. As I said in my post, I wasn't trying to bash you, but simply pointing out that a lot of the points you were trying to make were inaccurate.. But if you see that *type of problem* all the time, it's the first I've ever heard of anyone having that kinda issue. I've been an admin for almost 6 years and never, ever, EVER, seen that happen... So, take what i said the way you want ;)
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I've been an admin for almost 6 years and never, ever, EVER, seen that happen...
hehe... I just read this again... an administrator that has never encountered a misconfigured nic...

I hope he took your advice and bought a cisco router... probably a 48 port... so that he can hook it up at home and then program it... that's the best advice ever... I figure about now... a year later ... he's just about finished paying it off.
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I made this thread over 2 years ago! :roll:
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