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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:34 am
by anjanesh
Still buggy - look at the tab next to Google's tab.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:02 pm
by anjanesh
Maybe phpdevuk will be interested in a site dedicated to stopping IE : stopie.com

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:03 pm
by raghavan20
Microsoft will always have it own share.

Its only we programmers who get annoyed by the problems with the IE and look for more standard and stable browser so as some say, we jump from ie4 ->opera->ie6->Mozilla or something; But the normal users, don't know about all the pains we take to develop proper layouts in IE so they would always use IE.

moreover, this is how it happens, whoever introduces some new concept into the market will mostly be the leader all the time.

Microsoft found the first GUI OS and the browser for that. they are the first people in the market and they have a large customer base before any other company made a really good OS or browser.

A company can overtake another established company only if they concentrate on developing an highly user-friendly product with much emphasis to HCI. no matter, how good the product may be, its important that it's very easy to learn and should be able to do the small/normal things as easy as possible. i even still find uneasy/tough to work with LINUX just because of the small fact I do not know how to install programs in LINUX. The things that can be normally done should be done in a normal and easy way which LINUX lacks in a few cases.

the user do not want to learn a new thing how small the learning curve might be and will try another good product in the market which has come recently. so always, Microsoft will have the largest share of OS and browsers as long as browsers come along with Windows OS.

I agree with JCart in some way. discussing all these problems is good as everybody gets to know more; but it would be nice, if we can aggregate all the problems that we have found and make as a formal complaint to Microsoft from devnetwork forums assuming that Microsoft would really fix those problems. :wink:

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:06 pm
by Roja
raghavan20 wrote:Its only we programmers who get annoyed by the problems with the IE and look for more standard and stable browser so as some say, we jump from ie4 ->opera->ie6->Mozilla or something; But the normal users, don't know about all the pains we take to develop proper layouts in IE so they would always use IE.
That has changed in the last few years in fact. Now even 'regular users' are noticing and switching. Much of that is due to geeky friends and family 'supporting' those users suggesting it, but it is spreading very fast.

Even normal users understand "bad" and "good", and can/do take steps to fix it.
raghavan20 wrote:Microsoft found the first GUI OS and the browser for that. they are the first people in the market and they have a large customer base before any other company made a really good OS or browser.
Not at all accurate.

The first browser wasn't Microsoft's, it was Mosaic. The first GOOD browser wasn't Microsoft's, it was Netscape's. The first good OS wasn't Microsoft's, it was Apple.

Microsoft followed each, and upon realizing they didn't have the best, worked to fix that. Once they had the best, they pushed the competition out of the market through predatory business practices - this has all been established in court - its not opinion.
raghavan20 wrote:A company can overtake another established company only if they concentrate on developing an highly user-friendly product with much emphasize to HCI.
That ignores the ability of Microsoft to use predatory business practices to shut out the competition, which they have for over a decade. Seriously - read up on how they handled BeOS, Netscape, WordPerfect, Novell, and others.

Competition only works in the way you describe if its a fair market.
raghavan20 wrote:so always, Microsoft will have the largest share of OS and browsers as long as browsers come along with Windows OS.
Thats not a certainty. Look at Google. MSN is the default search engine on IE, but now Google is used by far more users.

People are willing to change to pick the better product, the only question is how painful/costly is the transition. In google's case, it was a very low cost (a few clicks). In Firefox, its a little higher (download, install). In Linux, its EXTREMELY high (Replace every application you have with a Linux version instead)

Things can change, but Microsoft does everything in its power (including breaking the law) to ensure they don't. Thats what reasonable people need to complain about. If they have to compete fairly, the competition WILL defeat Microsoft.

In some areas, they already are.