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Google = Evil Microsoft = Good....?

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:19 pm
by hawleyjr
I love Google as much as the next guy however; I used to love Microsoft as much as the rest also....

Interesting article on how Google is loosing its greatness and becoming more of a...um...Monster :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/techn ... oo&emc=rss


PS Google, if your bot reads this...Really, my name is Burrito not Hawleyjr :)

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:57 pm
by nielsene
They're just bitter (PayPal and others) that people LIKE working for google... and that Google pays their people well (maybe the two are related? ) :)

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:04 pm
by programmermatt
When they stop supporting opensource and free products, let me know... I find it hard to believe that they make so much money off ads.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:53 am
by m3mn0n
Very interesting article. And a lot of it makes sense, too.


And I'm very suprised because of the fact that they're planning on launch a Google IM client. I wonder what sort of specs and features it'll have. And it's also a bit odd since they're MO is "organize the world's information". I don't see how they would do that better by offering a chat program, considering they could just go into the logs of other programs and search that way like I believe Google Desktop already does.

I guess for them if they control and administer the world's information than organizing it is easier. And jumping into every single market possible to gather as much of it as possible would indeed be true to their MO. And of course IM clients have built in Ads nowadays so they might do a Gmail-like feature and deliver ads to you based on your conversation topic.

Interesting stuff to ponder about. :)

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:01 am
by m3mn0n
I was just talking to a friend about this and apparently the beta has been out for a while... man I need to keep my eyes on Google Labs more... :lol:

http://www.google.com/talk/

I'm loving it so far... I like how it has a built-in Gmail Notifier 2.0... it's nice since Gmail is my main inbox.

Re: Google = Evil Microsoft = Good....?

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:41 am
by Burrito
hawleyjr wrote:PS Google, if your bot reads this...Really, my name is Burrito not Hawleyjr :)
8)

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:54 am
by patrikG
Sheer Envy. These people slagging off Google have not understood that the internet is a totally different marketplace than the PC ever was. Think about how difficult it is for a non-techie to switch operating systems, but how easy it is for them to switch search engines.
Google's competition is mainly Microsoft and Yahoo (in its core business) and these are blue chip competitors. They won't go away.

Sheer envy.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:42 pm
by hawleyjr
patrikG wrote:Google's competition is mainly Microsoft and Yahoo (in its core business)


However, they are the competitor of many companies. Having a master company that sprawls itself across every bit of the internet only makes it harder form small companies to succeed.

On another note, as long as they provide an excellent developer kit (For Free, which as far as I know MS never did) and they support OS I'm going to support them.

Just a thought, have you ever said "aw, F-ing Google" Probably not. Now, How many times have you said "aw, F-ing MS"

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:49 pm
by Burrito
hawleyjr wrote:Just a thought, have you ever said "aw, F-ing Google" Probably not. Now, How many times have you said "aw, F-ing MS"
I've said it quite a lot actually. Google really hurt my business with their Florida update and I still don't rank well on them for most of my sites. They really tailer to informational websites for their "true" results and force commercial sites to use their adwords et al...which in my book sucks and is unethical.

I found it quite ironic that they made that update right before they went public 8O (very microsoftesque if you ask me)

no planning on that I'm sure....ahem.

I don't spam on any of my sites and I sell legitimate products...is it really worth going out and starting a huge link campaign so I can be ranked on google? .... not in my book.

It's a double edged sword, I use google all the time because it's so lite, but I hate them for a lot of other reasons...they do see in dollar signs contrary to popular belief.

edit:

I said in my book twice in that post. I really do have a book, and it's for sale on one of my sites, but you'll never find it on google....

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:23 pm
by patrikG
Burrito wrote:I said in my book twice in that post. I really do have a book, and it's for sale on one of my sites, but you'll never find it on google....
Glad you didn't say: in my eyes. ;)

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:58 pm
by timvw
The difference with Google is that they actually say they use your e-mails etc for commercial activities/datamining...

After websearches, gmail, orkut they now want to extend their datasources by entering the instant messaging market. . I think that they succeed to create a hype around virtually everything they do because they can please technical people because they use Open Standards and offer some cool features for regular users... It appears to be a mix for success..

However, i don't want a company to analyze my e-mail / messenger traffic. Don't care what the name/reputation of that company is.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:54 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
I still rather annoyed that Gmail is still technically in beta. I'm all for testing, but this has simply become some weird marketing thing at this point.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:27 pm
by The Monkey
Were you implying that Google analyzes your messenger traffic, timvw? According to their privacy policy, they don't even store it on their servers.

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:50 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
What they have done in the past (in situations like Gmail) is simply scan the email so that they can provide relevant ads. Thus if you send an email about pickles you get ads for Vlasik or whatever. They say they don't collect this in any personally meaningful way. I'm sure they keep counts of how many times certain ads are displayed, but this is never supposed to be linked to individual accounts. :)

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:50 pm
by timvw
They scan *your* e-mail to provide *you*with relevant ads. To me that seems pretty personal..


(But hey, there is no one that says you have to use it :))