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Unless you want IE7.Grim... wrote:It's not like MS are saying 'You must buy Vista'.
Or XNA for gaming. Or a shorter boot up time. Or better secuirty. Or..
The list goes on. They most definitely *are* saying you must buy Vista if you want any improvements. They are using the exact opposite approach that Apple does. Apple gives substantial updates roughly twice a year, for a reasonable fee. Apple also backports many of the fixes (security, and some improvements) to previous versions.
Vista on the other hand is the first new release in *years*, and the few improvements it has (see above) require a *massive* upgrade in hardware.
Honestly, I'm with Jcart. Its bloatware, plain and simple. They are choosing to embrace massive requirements, and its going to cost them customers in the long run as a result.
On the contrary, I've called other companies out for the same thing. Many people won't run Adobe Photoshop 7, because it deeply bloated the memory requirements. (I still deeply prefer 5.5)Grim... wrote:This is just Windows bashing, pure and simple.
If another company did the same thing, no-one would care.
The key difference is that with programs like Adobe's Photoshop, there are substantial competitors that provide the same functionality. There is no similar alternative to Windows - Microsoft made sure of that. The closest alternatives (OSX and Linux) aren't truly binary-compatible, and both have managed to keep their memory requirements much lower.
Its not Microsoft bashing. Its bad programming and business bashing, and Microsoft chose to be included in that category.
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This is not true and you know it. We are concerned over the dramatic changes that Vista's hardware requirements will ensue. Several hundred, well maybe thusands people switch to F/OSS every year because of M$ products being overly priced and everyone knows this. M$ has even lost a case for over-pricing Office XP.Grim... wrote:This is just Windows bashing, pure and simple.
We care because we careGrim... wrote:If another company did the same thing, no-one would care.
Why should theyGrim... wrote:Did I get <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> when PS2 games didn't work on my PSX?
Good for youGrim... wrote:No. I just brought a PS2.
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A very good one, RojaRoja wrote:Unless you want IE7.Grim... wrote:It's not like MS are saying 'You must buy Vista'.
Or XNA for gaming. Or a shorter boot up time. Or better secuirty. Or..
The list goes on. They most definitely *are* saying you must buy Vista if you want any improvements. They are using the exact opposite approach that Apple does. Apple gives substantial updates roughly twice a year, for a reasonable fee. Apple also backports many of the fixes (security, and some improvements) to previous versions.
Vista on the other hand is the first new release in *years*, and the few improvements it has (see above) require a *massive* upgrade in hardware.
Honestly, I'm with Jcart. Its bloatware, plain and simple. They are choosing to embrace massive requirements, and its going to cost them customers in the long run as a result.
On the contrary, I've called other companies out for the same thing. Many people won't run Adobe Photoshop 7, because it deeply bloated the memory requirements. (I still deeply prefer 5.5)Grim... wrote:This is just Windows bashing, pure and simple.
If another company did the same thing, no-one would care.
The key difference is that with programs like Adobe's Photoshop, there are substantial competitors that provide the same functionality. There is no similar alternative to Windows - Microsoft made sure of that. The closest alternatives (OSX and Linux) aren't truly binary-compatible, and both have managed to keep their memory requirements much lower.
Its not Microsoft bashing. Its bad programming and business bashing, and Microsoft chose to be included in that category.
Gamers complain plenty. In fact, they are one of the loudest groups complaining. Take a peek around the discussions about the Xbox 360 for a glimpse at how much complaining we do. Its huge.Grim... wrote:I still disagree - if you want to use the latest software, you'll need the latest hardware. Gamers never complain, why should other users?
But thats just one group, and remember: Gamers want to push their hardware to the edge. Someone running a web-browser and Word to do papers while in college shouldn't need a GIG of ram to do that, let alone a 2ghz+ processor!
Lets get serious for a moment and remember that the vast majority of computer users rarely use more than 2 applications at a time. One of them is the browser, and the other is a word processor (be it notepad, word, and so on). Considering that the minimum requirements for the OS itself is half-a-gig of ram, and one gig is suggested, we see that those users are being pushed to spend quite a bit of money just to keep doing what they already do - NOT gain new functionality.
That is pretty much the exact definition of bloat.
On the contrary, I can do virtually everything you can do in 7 in 5.5, with the sole exception of better text layer handling.Grim... wrote:Photoshop 7 needs more memory because it can do more stuff.
In exchange for that trivial improvement (at least, I rarely needed it), I had to have almost double the memory. Thats not a reasonable tradeoff, and as a consumer, it is definitely my right to stand up and say thats silly! Thats not bashing, thats being a good consumer. You should try it sometime.
Money isn't the root issue. Requiring a user to upgrade to continue doing the same thing is. The fact that it is expressed in large amounts of money just emphasizes the point.Grim... wrote:Wanting the computing world to stand still because it will cost lots of money is absurd.
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How much does PS2 cost you there... Here, its about Rs. 9K - 9.5K which roughly translates to $210-$220. I can send you one, if it cost you more there & you pay meGrim... wrote:Because I'll need expensive new hardware to run the latest stuff...
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Grim already has a PS2, from the looks of it... and I'd wait until the PS3 is out... or Xbox 360 
As for Vista, I'm not likely to upgrade to it anytime soon... all my work machines will be moved to OSX and/or some flavor of *nix as soon as someone releases stable ISOs for them.. However, because a lot of our business is Windows users, we'll be likely getting some high-end machines for Vista within a year.... unless there's a sudden shift away from Microsoft (which I don't see happening very soon.. not that the install base will move all that quickly anyways...)
As for Vista, I'm not likely to upgrade to it anytime soon... all my work machines will be moved to OSX and/or some flavor of *nix as soon as someone releases stable ISOs for them.. However, because a lot of our business is Windows users, we'll be likely getting some high-end machines for Vista within a year.... unless there's a sudden shift away from Microsoft (which I don't see happening very soon.. not that the install base will move all that quickly anyways...)
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