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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:28 am
by Moocat
You most likely own your code, I wouldn't tell him you took a copy though.

I also wouldn't work for him even in written contract, people willing to screw others without a contract probably don't have the morals to even obey a written contract and it would take you more money than it's worth just to get him to pay it out (in court).

My suggestion? Find a new job thats willing to pay you what they say they're going to pay you.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:31 am
by m3mn0n
Contracts are a must. Never trust anyone in the business world.

Though, depending on your local/fed laws, a verbal agreement might also extend to an email exchange or an instant messenger conversation so long as you can provide the printed evidence for examination.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:58 am
by onion2k
You get paid in EEKs .. living is cheap .. I've heard good things about Estonian women .. That's it, I'm moving to Estonia.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:24 am
by Grim...
In the UK, I'm pretty sure that code you write during working hours belong to the company you work for.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:55 am
by alvinphp
Sami wrote:Contracts are a must. Never trust anyone in the business world.

Though, depending on your local/fed laws, a verbal agreement might also extend to an email exchange or an instant messenger conversation so long as you can provide the printed evidence for examination.
It goes both ways as I have dealt with some very very bad contractors. The contract is more to make sure both the client and contractor are thinking the same thing and if well written then there will be no need to use the contract in court.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:07 pm
by Chris Corbyn
onion2k wrote:You get paid in EEKs .. living is cheap .. I've heard good things about Estonian women .. That's it, I'm moving to Estonia.
Whoooaaa boy.... Romania has the fit!... mmm.... girls 8)

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:08 pm
by Chris Corbyn
Grim... wrote:In the UK, I'm pretty sure that code you write during working hours belong to the company you work for.
It depends upon your contract. I'm not right up on legal stuff but I believe if you're looking at your contract you're looking for something called "Intellectual Property" -- or IP ;)

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:25 pm
by Luke
cigs don't cost 6 bucks... they cost 3.75 where I live.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:02 pm
by John Cartwright
9.25$ CAN here :roll:

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:53 pm
by foobar
~4€ in Germany.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:58 pm
by m3mn0n
d11wtq wrote:
Grim... wrote:In the UK, I'm pretty sure that code you write during working hours belong to the company you work for.
It depends upon your contract. I'm not right up on legal stuff but I believe if you're looking at your contract you're looking for something called "Intellectual Property" -- or IP ;)
Yeah, it's all about IP rights.

Even when you are employed full-time by the company.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:02 pm
by Roja
d11wtq wrote:It depends upon your contract. I'm not right up on legal stuff but I believe if you're looking at your contract you're looking for something called "Intellectual Property" -- or IP ;)
I highly recommend avoiding the term "Intellectual Property". A great resource on why: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml

The only thing he is looking for is copyright information in his contract. No trademarks, patents, or other such nonsense. Its all about copyrights, so look for that. :)

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:43 pm
by shiznatix
onion2k wrote:.. living is cheap .. I've heard good things about Estonian women .. That's it, I'm moving to Estonia.
oh you are oh so right in every aspect of the situation (i cant walk down the street without being like WHOA THAT GIRL...)

other stuff: property of not, its mine. i wrote it and i was getting paid illigally and his business is not legal in any way. if i was a jerk face (pardon my french) i would turn him into the goverment and he would get fined huge amounts of money. he is lucky im a nice guy with php talent

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:56 pm
by m3mn0n
Well there is your leverage.

But I'm not sure if you should use that because it might turn ugly.

eg. violence