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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:54 am
by Grim...
If you have the old version of Adblock installed it stops Flash from working when you upgrade.
Remove Adblock and the Flash will appear again.
Adblock Plus works fine.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:35 am
by Bill H
I can't find anything on their site about upgrading, as the "release notes page" link is broken everywhere. Did you guys just install 1.5 on top of 1.0.7 without intermediate steps? In the past upgrading has been much more complex than that, involving saving and restoring profiles.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:46 am
by RobertPaul
Bill H wrote:I can't find anything on their site about upgrading, as the "release notes page" link is broken everywhere. Did you guys just install 1.5 on top of 1.0.7 without intermediate steps? In the past upgrading has been much more complex than that, involving saving and restoring profiles.
I've been installing on top since like, .8 without any problems. Never hurts to back up your profile periodically, but that's up to you.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:59 pm
by Bill H
Thanks, I did just install on top. I just had to reconfigure my home page and...
I have only been using two extensions and I checked beforehand -- both say they are compatible up to 1.5+. But after upgrading they are disabled as not being compatible with current version, and when I tell it to look for updates it says none are found. So I seem to be out both of the extensions I was using.
Has anyone clicked on the icon in the upper right for the Firefox "home" page? It leads to a page with some features described, but which leads essentially nowhere else. What happened to the support page? The one with the FAQ's and the link to the forums? I can't seem to find that any more at all.
Firefox is a great browser, but it continues to mystify me with some of the ways it tries to drive subscribers away.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:19 pm
by Buddha443556
Bill H wrote:Has anyone clicked on the icon in the upper right for the Firefox "home" page? It leads to a page with some features described, but which leads essentially nowhere else. What happened to the support page? The one with the FAQ's and the link to the forums? I can't seem to find that any more at all.
FF's home page has changed domains. However, I think you can change that in "about:config" under "browser.throbber.url" IIRC.
I have only been using two extensions and I checked beforehand -- both say they are compatible up to 1.5+. But after upgrading they are disabled as not being compatible with current version...
After I upgraded nothing worked, FF would not even come up. But ... I finally got all my extension re-installed.

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:20 pm
by Bill H
However, I think you can change that in "about:config" under "browser.throbber.url" IIRC.
I'm sorry, I have no idea what that means. I'm still trying to find their support page. (No luck so far.)
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:35 pm
by Ambush Commander
FastBack is the new feature that makes forwards and back blazingly fast. You enable it with this about:config entry:
browser.sessionhistory.max_viewers
where the integer is set to the amount of pages to cache for fastback (5 is recommended).
you just navigate to about:config in the browser.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:53 pm
by AKA Panama Jack
Just thought I would throw this in the mix.
Browser Speed Comparisons
Oh and it includes Opera 9 Test Preview and Firefox 1.5.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:04 pm
by foobar
Wowzers, Opera beats most of the other browsers' pants off!

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:07 pm
by Ambush Commander
I found that interesting too... although on second thought it's not that surprising (Firefox does take a long time to load).
I have Opera installed on my box, but I only use it for layout testing. Too used to Firefox now.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:08 am
by Jenk
1.5 is certainly a lot quicker on this steam powered machine.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:36 am
by Roja
foobar wrote:
Wowzers, Opera beats most of the other browsers' pants off!

It shouldn't be too surprising. Remember that most of the other browsers are *PC* browsers. Opera is primarily a rendering engine for use on cellphones - thats where a large chunk of their profit comes from, and where they started. The PC version just gets them more testers, more marketshare (and documentable support), and an easy marketing push.
When you go in with that knowledge, its clear that the PC browsers are insanely fast. Opera is always going to be smaller and faster, because running on a cellphone demands a far tighter design than running on a PC.
But similarly, its also the reason why it takes less time (generally - not always) for new features like SVG or Canvas to land in a Firefox or Safari first - because they don't have to ruthlessly engineer it to fit on a cellphone.
That said, yes, Opera is smokin fast, and comparable to other PC browsers - an impressive feat. I'm using O9, and lemme tell ya, it screams!
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:04 pm
by AKA Panama Jack
Roja wrote:foobar wrote:
Wowzers, Opera beats most of the other browsers' pants off!

It shouldn't be too surprising. Remember that most of the other browsers are *PC* browsers. Opera is primarily a rendering engine for use on cellphones - thats where a large chunk of their profit comes from, and where they started. The PC version just gets them more testers, more marketshare (and documentable support), and an easy marketing push.
When you go in with that knowledge, its clear that the PC browsers are insanely fast. Opera is always going to be smaller and faster, because running on a cellphone demands a far tighter design than running on a PC.
That might be true if the same rendering engine was used on both the mobile and PC. They each use totally different rendering engines. They have completely different developement trees. And Opera 9 introduces a new rendering engine. You cannot compare the two in that manner. It's like comparing a compact car and a full sized car from the same manufacturer. They both have different engines designed by different teams from the same company.
Roja wrote:But similarly, its also the reason why it takes less time (generally - not always) for new features like SVG or Canvas to land in a Firefox or Safari first - because they don't have to ruthlessly engineer it to fit on a cellphone.
Actually if you check the features that have been added to Opera over the years they come very fast. And as I said that claim about cellphones is totally without any fact, truth or merit. The reason it is so small and fast, long time Opera users know this from following the history of Opera, is because the designers set out a goal to make the most feature rich browser on the market that was small and fast without any bloat coding. They have stuck with that philosophy. It has absolutely nothing to do with cellphones.

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:05 pm
by Ambush Commander
I wonder what their business model is now then...
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:31 pm
by Jenk
So much aggression.. where did I put the popcorn?