Best Browser
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Best Browser
I like FF best by far, but Opera is awesome too.
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Opera blows. It doesn't support my fancy CSS 2.0 *pout*.
[edit] I voted for FF.
[edit] I voted for FF.
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Well... let me re-state my opinion of it.foobar wrote:Opera blows. It doesn't support my fancy CSS 2.0 *pout*.
I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work. So far, I like it.
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I wouldn't say that it out and out "blows" (LOL!) but yes, it has had some funkmaster JS issues at times.foobar wrote:Opera blows. It doesn't support my fancy CSS 2.0 *pout*.
[edit] I voted for FF.
However, I have an easier time developing JS stuff for it then IE. Now there's a hunk of crap!
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Actually I think you find that Opera does.foobar wrote:Opera blows. It doesn't support my fancy CSS 2.0 *pout*.
[edit] I voted for FF.
You do know that Opera has a number of the authors and co-authors for CSS1, CSS2 and CSS3 working for them on CSS. I would think the authors and co-authors would know what they are doing with the CSS code in Opera.
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Nope. There are quite a few that it doesn't. Here's a partial list:AKA Panama Jack wrote:Actually I think you find that Opera does.
Text-shadow, some of text-align, visibility: collapse (this is a really hurtful one), and @font-face.
There are others ( http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/ ) that it doesn't support either. (Before anyone asks - yes, other browsers do support these). However..
Its not a matter of not knowing. Not by a long shot.AKA Panama Jack wrote:You do know that Opera has a number of the authors and co-authors for CSS1, CSS2 and CSS3 working for them on CSS. I would think the authors and co-authors would know what they are doing with the CSS code in Opera.
Its a matter of development time, and time to do it *right*. Opera is primarily focused on *small* footprint browsing. Over 1/4th of their profit derives from cellphone licensees, so while firefox can be reasonably fast for a PC, Opera has to be *insanely* fast/small - because even a little slow/big on a PC is unacceptably bad on a cellphone.
Doing CSS right, AND doing it in a small footprint is very challenging. A good example is the Acid2 test. The primary author and multiple members of the team who coordinated to author it work for Opera. Yet they still haven't passed it. That has nothing to do with their knowledge or talent. It has everything to do with development timing. Opera8 came out literally two days after the Acid2 test was published, so all the work on it is in the Opera9 tree. (Which by the way, if you haven't tried it, YOU SHOULD).
Opera is fast, has lots of nice features, and has *better support for css than most browsers*, but no - its not perfect.
Without extensions, Opera pales in comparison to Firefox in my book. I use both now, but Firefox is still my primary browser.
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It does have it's passionate users.... probably those that write client-side apps specific to MSIE using proprietary codeThe Ninja Space Goat wrote:ew... gross!Ree wrote:omg I see a vote for IE...
I love FF... I'm just about to install 1.5. Konqueror, well personally I dislike it... it has some CSS issues. I generally test in Opera as part of my spectrum of browsers but I haven't used it for general web browsing *ever* so I can't comment too much
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You might want to do a little checking into Firefox 1.5.Roja wrote:Nope. There are quite a few that it doesn't. Here's a partial list:AKA Panama Jack wrote:Actually I think you find that Opera does.
Text-shadow, some of text-align, visibility: collapse (this is a really hurtful one), and @font-face.
You really need to keep up on the changes with browsers. Opera is the only one that even comes close to passing the Acid2 test. Firefox 1.5 fails the Acid2 test much worse than Opera 8. Check out Opera 9's rendering of the Acid 2 test.Roja wrote:Doing CSS right, AND doing it in a small footprint is very challenging. A good example is the Acid2 test. The primary author and multiple members of the team who coordinated to author it work for Opera. Yet they still haven't passed it.
http://my.opera.com/Aedan/homes/files/15Capture-1.png
It will probably get compliance by the final release of Opera 9.
Honestly I haven't found an extention for Firefox that Opera either can't do already or would even need.Roja wrote:Without extensions, Opera pales in comparison to Firefox in my book. I use both now, but Firefox is still my primary browser.
Oh, and Opera's Plugins can work just like Firefox's Extensions so there really isn't much difference there.
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The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work.
You know why they instilled that policy?
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Might be because there are alot of security holes still in Firefox 1.5 and no date as to when they will be fixed.
Damn, I just found out that they made Opera totally free a few weeks ago. You had to buy it in the past if you didn't want the advertising bar enabled. Damned cool, that was the number one reason I heard from people who didn't use Opera. They didn't want to buy it and went with Firefox because it was free and not because it was better.
Now Opera is totally free just like Firefox.
Damn, I just found out that they made Opera totally free a few weeks ago. You had to buy it in the past if you didn't want the advertising bar enabled. Damned cool, that was the number one reason I heard from people who didn't use Opera. They didn't want to buy it and went with Firefox because it was free and not because it was better.
Now Opera is totally free just like Firefox.