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Re: Best Browser
I never said it did. You told foobar that Opera didn't have any issues with css, which was inaccurate. I corrected that.AKA Panama Jack wrote:You might want to do a little checking into Firefox 1.5.It's not 100% CSS2 compliant either.
Safari already passed it. Firefox's changes for Acid2 are on the Moz-1.9 tree, not the Moz-1.8 tree (which was used to make Firefox-1.5). Its only three fixes behind Opera, which is two fixes away from compliance.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Opera is the only one that even comes close to passing the Acid2 test.
I keep up quite well.
I have *11* installed, and many aren't available in any form on Opera. Since you've been a primary-Opera user for a long time, I'm not surprised that you haven't discovered all the great plugins there are.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Honestly I haven't found an extention for Firefox that Opera either can't do already or would even need.![]()
The difference is the selection. Most people are developing plugins/extensions for Firefox, not Opera. Its not even a close competition.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Oh, and Opera's Plugins can work just like Firefox's Extensions so there really isn't much difference there.
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Firefox fixes security issues faster than most vendors. But, don't forget to mention that Opera also has security issues, and no date for their fix: http://secunia.com/product/4932/AKA Panama Jack wrote: Might be because there are alot of security holes still in Firefox 1.5 and no date as to when they will be fixed.
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d11wtq wrote:It does have it's passionate users.... probably those that write client-side apps specific to MSIE using proprietary codeThe Ninja Space Goat wrote:ew... gross!Ree wrote:omg I see a vote for IE...![]()
Re: Best Browser
Because the boss is a Microsoft lover and he won't accept that any product not made by microsoft is a worthy product. And he cannot spy on me when I am in Firefox... he's got this spy program that will only work in IE.Sami wrote:The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work.![]()
You know why they instilled that policy?
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ahhThe Ninja Space Goat wrote:Because the boss is a Microsoft lover and he won't accept that any product not made by microsoft is a worthy product. And he cannot spy on me when I am in Firefox... he's got this spy program that will only work in IE.Sami wrote:The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work.![]()
You know why they instilled that policy?
I thought it would be something like that.
That sucks...
Re: Best Browser
just an idea that popped into my head. If you were to install the IEtab extension to firefox, and then use that most of the time, would he have a problem with itThe Ninja Space Goat wrote:Because the boss is a Microsoft lover and he won't accept that any product not made by microsoft is a worthy product. And he cannot spy on me when I am in Firefox... he's got this spy program that will only work in IE.Sami wrote:The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work.![]()
You know why they instilled that policy?
its kinda pointless though just something funny you can present to him
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Depending if your boss is a complete tool or not, you could look for an IE skin for Firefox (there are a few official ones on update.mozilla.com). If you're lucky, he wouldn't notice. Especially if you're using Windows XP.The Ninja Space Goat wrote:Because the boss is a Microsoft lover and he won't accept that any product not made by microsoft is a worthy product. And he cannot spy on me when I am in Firefox... he's got this spy program that will only work in IE.Sami wrote:The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I just started using it today due to the fact that I am no longer allowed to use FF at work.![]()
You know why they instilled that policy?
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Re: Best Browser
No, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it didn't have any issues. And you need to correct your reply if you don't want to want to seem... erm... nevermind. You IMPLIED that Firefox doesn't have CSS issues. Maybe if you had included in your reply that both Firefox and Opera have unique CSS issues.Roja wrote:I never said it did. You told foobar that Opera didn't have any issues with css, which was inaccurate. I corrected that.AKA Panama Jack wrote:You might want to do a little checking into Firefox 1.5.It's not 100% CSS2 compliant either.
And that is 11 too many for a browser and I know what plugins are availible.Roja wrote:I have *11* installed, and many aren't available in any form on Opera. Since you've been a primary-Opera user for a long time, I'm not surprised that you haven't discovered all the great plugins there are.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Honestly I haven't found an extention for Firefox that Opera either can't do already or would even need.![]()
Many of the extentions that have been created for Firefox are not needed for Opera. In otherwords they are trying to duplicate through extentions many of the features that comes standard with Opera. The average user would find it more than a little annoying to have to look for extensions to download and install. We all know what the average user is like.Roja wrote:The difference is the selection. Most people are developing plugins/extensions for Firefox, not Opera. Its not even a close competition.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Oh, and Opera's Plugins can work just like Firefox's Extensions so there really isn't much difference there.
And again you fail to present both sides of the story.Roja wrote:[update]Firefox fixes security issues faster than most vendors. But, don't forget to mention that Opera also has security issues, and no date for their fix: http://secunia.com/product/4932/AKA Panama Jack wrote: Might be because there are alot of security holes still in Firefox 1.5 and no date as to when they will be fixed.
That site listes one possible security problem and it was reported 2 weeks ago. It is listed as a very low risk. And you claimed that Opera had no mention of a date for their fix. There is a fix out in Opera 9 the next version that can be tested right now (I have been using 9 since it was released in the Beta forums a few weeks ago).
Original Advisory 2005-11-16: Opera Image Control Status Bar Spoofing WeaknessOpera's response
The Technical Preview release of Opera 9.0 displays the form action URL in the status bar, and both the "title" and the action URL in the tooltip. Future releases of Opera will have this behavior.
Opera's original Response posted a day later and updated a few days later: http://www.opera.com/support/search/sup ... ?index=819
And you failed to post a link to Firefox's vulnerabilities.
http://secunia.com/product/4227/
You will notice there are 5 security problems with Firefox with the oldest being OVER ONE YEAR AGO.
Firefox Security Fault 2004-08-30: Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox Apple Java Plugin Tab Spoofing Vulnerability
Firefox Security Fault 2004-09-18: Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox Cross-Domain Cookie Injection Vulnerability
Firefox Security Fault 2005-03-01: Mozilla Firefox Image Javascript URI Dragging Cross-Site Scripting
Firefox Security Fault 2005-05-12: Mozilla Firefox Download Dialog Spoofing Vulnerabilities
Firefox Security Fault 2005-10-06: Mozilla Firefox Iframe Size Denial of Service Weakness
As you can see Firefox is lax about keeping on on security holes. Opera does fix them in a timely manner and Opera will even let you know when a new version is availible for downloading.
If you are going to post links for security problems in a rival product you might want to do the same thing for the one you are championing in the effort of equal disclosure.