waradmin wrote:Im sorry if people are getting mad at me for my comments on ColdFusion, by telling me that these are PHP forums and this isnt the place for me to talk about CF and why its good.
This is definitely not a forum for praising CF and knocking PHP, no matter how you interpret the term "General". The fact that two longtime members have suggested either guiding your commentary appropriately or ending the discussion should have been a clear indicator of that (although missing the PHP in the Devnetwork logo is a bit hard).
waradmin wrote:But i guess i misunderstood the meaning of this General Board description being
Ye' old general discussion board. Basically, for everything that isn't covered elsewhere. Come here to shoot the breeze, shoot your mouth off, or whatever suits your fancy.
I think im following those rules by my comments on here, but then again, some people may view what im saying differently.
Several do, and its not just what you are saying - its more specifically how. You aren't taking the time to consider PHP, you are simply using this thread as an excuse to take cheap (and mostly inaccurate) shots at PHP to crow about CF. Virtually every point you've made is either highly subjective, inaccurate, or has substantial counter-points - all of which you ignore to move on and make more comments. "Yeah, but CF is great because..".
waradmin wrote:My major points are that from a flat install, ColdFusion has more features ready than PHP.
On which platform? It does matter, as there are packages on most major platforms that have many features setup by default for you. XAMPP on Windows, the Redhat PHP RPM, the apt package for Debian, and so on all have a tremendous number of features already setup for you - no action needed. Better, its even easier to install than Coldfusion, because its opensource, and it has been setup for easy install using the native package manager for that platform.
waradmin wrote:As has been stated many times, when i tried to prove a point, you need to install more plugins for features to work in PHP. I said CF is more convinent because you dont have to do that.
And as we've stated many times, its a one time "cost" to get those (few, specific) features to work in PHP. In most places you use PHP, they are installed by default by the packagers on Linux, Unix, or even the app packagers (XAMPP) for Windows - so there is *zero* cost, and its the same value for CF.
However, if you *don't* want those features, or if you'd like to add additional features beyond the standard, PHP lets you do so, and CF doesn't. Thats a net win for PHP.
waradmin wrote:Second, CF has a lower learning curve, its easier to pick up and do what companies want.
Lower learning code is subjective. It depends on the programmers background, the task at hand, and more. In the vast majority of cases, I disagree. Considering the population and focal interest of these forums, its likely they do as well.
As to "what companies want": Large companies want maintainable code, and thats not CF. Check the job market for Coldfusion developers v. PHP developers nationwide. (Monster says 1,000+ for PHP, and <500 for CF. Thats over a 2-to-1 advantage for "What companies want"). How many CF certified developers are there? Oh right, there isn't a certification for it. How many monthly publications are there specific to CF? Seems like a strong advantage on the side of PHP in virtually every measurable indicator for "What companies want". If you really want a strong counter-point, look at the number of domains running CF v. the number running PHP (Hint: Its over 10x more for PHP).
waradmin wrote:I like CF, as well as PHP. I am doing a massive project with Zoram and Shiznatix (our MySpace Social networking site done in PHP) so i am all for PHP. But i was simply stating some of the benefits a PHP coder (myself) discovered when using ColdFusion.
I don't think you are "all for" PHP. I think you've done little to consider any of the counterpoints in this thread, and have mostly used it as a troll to talk up CF with inaccuracies, subjective opinion, and speculation.
waradmin wrote:What is the Zend platform like anyway, ive heard a lot about Zend programing but have never seen the IDE (or does it not have one).
Hmm. Lets go to Zend.com, to research the comment. Its the first link listed in google for searching "Zend", so its probably a likely starting point. The graphic taking up 1/3rd of the page (at least at 1024x768) talks about Zend Studio, which appears to be an IDE.
Seriously, you aren't even trying to put up the pretense of looking into the counterpoints in the discussion. Stop trolling to pimp CF.