First off, i would like to thank the moderators for saying this thread does fall under the general category. A year ago when i ran a website (openwar.net) that offered hosting i had to deal with people on forums all the time trying to interpret things so it makes them look correct. So thanks for not closing this.
Guys this wasnt supposed to be a big deal. I asked for opinions and stated some observations i have made, and many of you stated counter arguements. Then with those arguements also personally attacked me, which i dont think i ever did to anyone. I was trying to have a discussion, thats all, no need for people to take this personally, but for some reason people always seem to do that.
Now about XAMPP, that is a different story. I use apache2triad (similar to xampp) and that is an installer that does a setup of apache, php, mysql, ftp, mail, everything. That isnt what ColdFusion is. Coldfusion integrates the CF technology into an existing or standalone server.
About dreamweaver. I guess i wasnt aware coders, scripters, developers or whatever people call themselves had to use a specific environment. I guess to avoid someone telling me im a fool for using dreamweaver i should have mentioned i also use Eclipse.
Thanks Maugrim_The_Reaper for giving me a good response to this thread. Thats what I was looking for as an answer.
In closing, i would like to say that, and this is my opinion, some people need to be more openminded and not attempt to come off as someone who moderates or runs the forums. I guess i was someone most of you were not used to, someone who brought forth a different concept and tried to support it as best i could. But please try to be more accepting of other peoples opinions, it gets really old really fast when people keep that mindset that they are always right, that they set the bar for a *real* programmer and anyone who doesnt conform to their style isnt worthy. That mindset really can bring down a forum, i know from experience.
I was just looking for someone with experience in the language (and experience doesnt count if you havent used it in 5 years! who knew both and could comment on the overall language. Anyway....
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I can't speak for others, but in my case, my problem was that you started a conversation - but it became a monologue. You didn't respond to any of the points brought up, except to say "Yeah, but CF is great because..". I have no issues calling that what it is - one-sided.waradmin wrote:Guys this wasnt supposed to be a big deal. I asked for opinions and stated some observations i have made, and many of you stated counter arguements.
The point is that on the platforms where you bring up CF being "easier" to setup, there are already solutions that solve that issue. Point, counterpoint, and your response to a valid solution is.. "Yeah, but CF is great because .. (it integrates it into an existing server)".waradmin wrote:Now about XAMPP, that is a different story. I use apache2triad (similar to xampp) and that is an installer that does a setup of apache, php, mysql, ftp, mail, everything. That isnt what ColdFusion is. Coldfusion integrates the CF technology into an existing or standalone server.
You noticed a shortcoming, I've presented the solution. Is the solution inaccurate, inapplicable, or even inferior? No.
By also using Eclipse, you are choosing to give up the very primary benefit you bring up for CF - integration. Granted, you can code in Eclipse, and run it on a CF server, but then all your arguments about the editor integration drop - just like they did with Zend Studio, which you didn't follow up in the conversation.waradmin wrote:About dreamweaver. I guess i wasnt aware coders, scripters, developers or whatever people call themselves had to use a specific environment. I guess to avoid someone telling me im a fool for using dreamweaver i should have mentioned i also use Eclipse.
"If you don't want the answers, don't ask the question". You will receive a variety of opinions, answers, and thoughts in a public forum. We are not the borg. If that doesn't suit you, don't ask open-ended questions. Or better, do ask them, but expand your mind by exploring some of the responses. You might learn something you didn't know. (I didn't know CF's setup for multi-database support worked the way it did until this thread prompted me to read up).waradmin wrote:Thanks Maugrim_The_Reaper for giving me a good response to this thread. Thats what I was looking for as an answer.
I think the majority of responses were fairly openminded - except yours. I don't mean it as a personal attack, I mean it as a fair response to your comment. The responses considered your statements, considered your knowledge, and responded with counterpoints. You didn't followup on them, consider them, or reference them (except to switch to a different topic, leaving the counterpoint behind).waradmin wrote:In closing, i would like to say that, and this is my opinion, some people need to be more openminded and not attempt to come off as someone who moderates or runs the forums.
The problem *I* had was that you weren't supporting your position. You advocated a position, and then when discussion continued on that topic, you ignored virtually every counterpoint given. Thats not supporting your position.waradmin wrote:I guess i was someone most of you were not used to, someone who brought forth a different concept and tried to support it as best i could.
Diversity is a good thing. Good conversation is better. This thread had little of either until now.waradmin wrote:But please try to be more accepting of other peoples opinions, it gets really old really fast when people keep that mindset that they are always right, that they set the bar for a *real* programmer and anyone who doesnt conform to their style isnt worthy.
Woah, who's setting the bar now?waradmin wrote:I was just looking for someone with experience in the language (and experience doesnt count if you havent used it in 5 years! who knew both and could comment on the overall language. Anyway....
On these forums, we generally welcome any opinion, and don't draw a line about when you are 'qualified' to share your feelings.
As I said before, if you don't want to hear the answers, be more careful in what questions you ask.
Regarding the mods opinions of whether this topic is ontopic, the mods are the official voice of the forum.
Thats not the same as being the only voice on the forum.
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Well, interesting meta-discussion, so you score some points on that one, but seriously, this thread is dead now.
It's dead because:
1) the original question has been admittedly answered repeatedly.
2) the meta-discussion here has indeed been very little so.
Shake hands, wave at each other, think about it. Move on.
I'd give you two a pint on me if I had a bar, just to not see it escalating.
It's dead because:
1) the original question has been admittedly answered repeatedly.
2) the meta-discussion here has indeed been very little so.
Shake hands, wave at each other, think about it. Move on.
I'd give you two a pint on me if I had a bar, just to not see it escalating.
When you install XAMPP do you get the graph abilities already installed with it?
Roja I am not the only one who thinks your opinions are harsh. And the reason i say that 5 years of prior knowledge doesnt qualify is because from what i have read on many many coldfusion forums and articles is that the language has changed a lot over the years with the release of MX7 featuring many changes. Problems the people from 5 years ago who used coldfusion found may not still exist now. Thats my point i wasnt setting a bar.
As far as eclipse goes, i was making a point to the people/person who said Dreamweaver isnt what programmers use. I wasnt using that to support coldfusion because from what im aware Eclipse doesnt have a coldfusion plugin (tho i havent looked).
I guess all forums have people that wish they held power. Lucky they dont or it would lead to a dry forum, where everyone was required to think like the people in power.
But I dont need to justify myself to you.
Roja I am not the only one who thinks your opinions are harsh. And the reason i say that 5 years of prior knowledge doesnt qualify is because from what i have read on many many coldfusion forums and articles is that the language has changed a lot over the years with the release of MX7 featuring many changes. Problems the people from 5 years ago who used coldfusion found may not still exist now. Thats my point i wasnt setting a bar.
As far as eclipse goes, i was making a point to the people/person who said Dreamweaver isnt what programmers use. I wasnt using that to support coldfusion because from what im aware Eclipse doesnt have a coldfusion plugin (tho i havent looked).
Who is the -we- you are refering to? Thats moderator/admin talk right there. When a moderator has a problem with a post they use the term -we- such as "we welcome your opinion but..." From what im aware you dont have a voice of authority so ill pretend that your "we" in your post was actualy an "I".Roja wrote:On these forums, we generally welcome any opinion, and don't draw a line about when you are 'qualified' to share your feelings.
Its not that i didnt want to hear the answers, but as it has been well established your answers were always in a harsh context, boasting your knowledge and demeaning mine. Perhaps your attitude could have been more understanding when making me aware of your points, because i did learn stuff from your posts.Roja wrote:As I said before, if you don't want to hear the answers, be more careful in what questions you ask.
That is true, but they have the voice i respect. People who dont treat me fairly dont deserve it back. I never had a problem with you until your remarks were made that seemed like an attempt to make me seem inferior to you. And trust me, from the people i have had read this, im not the only one who feels that way.Roja wrote:Regarding the mods opinions of whether this topic is ontopic, the mods are the official voice of the forum.
Thats not the same as being the only voice on the forum.
I guess all forums have people that wish they held power. Lucky they dont or it would lead to a dry forum, where everyone was required to think like the people in power.
But I dont need to justify myself to you.