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msn log privacy

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:36 pm
by mickd
Does anyone know if it’s possible for one person to have immediate access to another’s msn conversations?

To my knowledge, key loggers don’t report what both parties engaged in the conversation says let alone allowing immediate access.

Would backdoor trojan horses be able to do it?

Any input appreciated.

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:44 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Well, seems like this is for a completely legit problem! :roll:

Any chance you could give us some insight on why you need this?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:59 pm
by mickd
i don't need to :?, someone is doing that to one of my friends and i'm trying to help by getting rid of it. she isnt very computer literate so i would ntwant to explain all the things i would normally do if it was on my computer to find out how.

any help appriciated, sorry if it sounded like i wanted to do it myself :lol:

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:58 pm
by alex.barylski
Key loggers can't record incoming messages

They use Windows keyboard hooks which capture ONLY keystrokes!!!

MSN does offer the option of saving message history does it not?

If so, yes it would be fairly easy to write a virus to read that history file...

Even without the storage of history, a specially written virus could read what was being transmitted back and forth...

EDIT: I just used Spy++ to see if the incoming/outgoing messages were using Windows default TEXTBOX, but it appears MSN uses another control... :?

DirectUIHWND...

Something to do with DirectX likely for rendering speed...

In anycase, I imagine this control is not much different than most of M$ Window controls in that it IS possible to hook into native events and capture any data being transmitted between the two...

Encryption is likely the only safe way...NOT sure if that would protect against a virus though, cuz I'm willing to bet that strictly for network transmission only!!!

IMHO you need to run a virus check or reformat if it's some virus which isn't recognized signature because it's written only for some guy wanting to scan your friends MSN messages...

Cheers :)

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:14 pm
by josh
Why even go that far? A simple packet sniffer like ehtereal would even get the job done. Is your friend on a wireless network? Does he/she run windows update and do they have an anti-virus/firewall? If so when's the last time they updated their virus definitions. Another possibility would be that someone used a keylogger to get both passwords and just signed onto both accounts and watched the convo..

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:00 pm
by mickd
is it possible to have 2 people signed on one account and be able to read their messages that they type/recieve?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:42 pm
by josh
it is possible to sign in to as many accounts as you want from IM clients like trillian,etc (until msn ip blocks you). when an account is signed on in two locations both locations receive all received ims (on aim at least, pretty sure msn too). if you are on both accounts you would be receiving incoming message for both accounts, thus you could piece the convo together

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:51 pm
by mickd
my guess is thats whats being done, i do remember her saying earlier that she just needed their password, thanks guys.

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:56 am
by JayBird
It is NOT possible to sign in from 2 different locations on the MSN network. If you are signed in, and someone else signs in as you, you will get signed out Image

...and, it is possible for software to keylog, and intercept IM messages...anyone remember that good old SubSeven Trojan...used to love playing tricks on my mates with that! Image

Mark

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:12 am
by Jenk
msn tranmits in plain text. Sounds like a packet sniffer.

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:23 pm
by mickd
if it was a packet sniffer, is it possible to prevent it?

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:42 pm
by alex.barylski
mickd wrote:if it was a packet sniffer, is it possible to prevent it?
Try Trillion...I think it supports encryption...doesn't it??? Only one way to find out I guess...try it :)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:42 pm
by Jenk
there are various encryption app's knocking around.. Simp (and the freeware version: SimpLite) spring to mind.

These are plugins for MSN so you still use the default app and not a completely diff. gui etc.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:18 am
by shiznatix
sounds like somthing stupid like subseven to me. i mean this girl is not very computer smart as you say and who is she anyway? doubt shes someone that is worth stealing lots of info from. at least have her run a antivirus to look for a stupid trojan.

Pimptastic: i loved doing that too. being able to print stuff on their printer, flip their screen upside down, and open their cd rom. hahaha loved that stuff.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:07 am
by mickd
apparently the girl thats doing it to another girls brother is computer literate :o

i have a feeling its going to be something extremely simple like that :wink:

thanks for your input guys, always appreciated.