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[img] Apple and Intel

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:56 am
by Grim...
According to the Apple website:

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That's beacuase hardcore PC users have Athlons :)

Re: [img] Apple and Intel

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:32 am
by JayBird
Grim... wrote:That's beacuase hardcore PC users have Athlons :)
hehehe, true!

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:41 am
by feyd
yep. Which is why I've always been wondering how the hell did Intel get Apple to go exclusive? Large investment? (probably would have heard about that) I saw the "we chose them because of their roadmap" or something, but come on.. Even I, a previously hardcore Intel only person, has switched to Athlon..

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:19 am
by Roja
feyd wrote:yep. Which is why I've always been wondering how the hell did Intel get Apple to go exclusive? Large investment? (probably would have heard about that) I saw the "we chose them because of their roadmap" or something, but come on.. Even I, a previously hardcore Intel only person, has switched to Athlon..
Several reasons:

- On notebooks, Intel is still eating AMD's lunch. AMD chips run hotter, and don't have sweet integrated additional chipset support (like wireless, etc).

- Apple has previously had supply problems, which meant launch events resulted in both old stock not selling, AND new stock not being available - net result? Lowered revenue. Intel will for the medium-term future at least, be substantially more equipped for large production. AMD doesn't even come close.

- Intel can reduce the price on the chipset support in exchange for Apple using the latest and greatest CPU's, even before they hit the market. Having a guaranteed market for the latest chips is a huge win for Intel, so they can afford to take a hit to do so.

- At the medium to long term view, Intel will continue to be the most common CPU maker. Why does that matter? Because Jobs is honestly tired of having to make excuses about the differences between the architectures. Now architecture isn't an issue, and won't be an arguing point.

- Don't forget the iPod. If Intel could get chips into the iPod, that would be both a win, and a strategic advantage. It would help Apple deliver more functionality (shocking concept, but true), and they do have several patents alluding to wireless delivery - a space Intel does extremely well in.

There are plenty of other reasons, but those are all really solid reasons by themselves, let alone all together.

Realistically, short of "They are the rebel, and so are we", and "The Desktop CPU's are generally faster for the dollar", there isn't a substantial reason for Apple to choose AMD over Intel.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:28 am
by feyd
true, Intel does have far more diversity and overall weight.. not to mention production capacity. So I guess it makes some sense. :?

Although I never researched it, I thought AMD was doing well in the notebook market too. Granted, the ones I've seen were 99% of the time desktop chips in a tiny box, basically. :roll:

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:12 am
by pilau
Aren't Macs now going to be weaker with usig Inte CPUs instead of PowerPC CPUs?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:24 am
by Bill H
Don't forget advertising: Intel does a ton of it.
When's the last time you saw an AMD commercial during an NFL playoff game?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:19 am
by Roja
pilau wrote:Aren't Macs now going to be weaker with usig Inte CPUs instead of PowerPC CPUs?
In a word, No.

Because IBM held back development on most of the PowerPC lines due to both heat and scaling issues, PowerPC fell behind over a year ago. The new IntelMac's are faster in almost every sense than the fastest PowerMac's.

(Almost, because some of the peripherals arent, such as no high-speed firewire, etc).

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:33 am
by pilau
So Macs are gona be even more powerful machines?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:34 am
by nickman013
Roja wrote:
pilau wrote:Aren't Macs now going to be weaker with usig Inte CPUs instead of PowerPC CPUs?
In a word, No.

Because IBM held back development on most of the PowerPC lines due to both heat and scaling issues, PowerPC fell behind over a year ago. The new IntelMac's are faster in almost every sense than the fastest PowerMac's.

(Almost, because some of the peripherals arent, such as no high-speed firewire, etc).
overall , yes (they will be faster).

i have a powerbook g4 , and it is very fast, and i do video editing, i only have 1.5 ghz with 512 RAM!!!! and the computer flys with video editing which takes up alot of resources.

the new intel chips are going to blow away the Mac chips ( i dont even know waht they are called and i got 2 macs) well their G chips, intel is going to make the macs 10x faster. check out this

:arrow: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro

and look at the increases in speed, but only for certain things.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:43 am
by Grim...
I wonder what's going to come next...
"WHAT'S A TWO-BUTTON MOUSE DOING ON A MAC? A LOT MORE THAN IT DOES ON A PC!"

:)

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:50 am
by pilau
Grim... wrote:"WHAT'S A TWO-BUTTON MOUSE DOING ON A MAC? A LOT MORE THAN IT DOES ON A PC!"
:lol: LMAO good one ;)

If we're already talking about Macs, what's the interface that the apple mouse uses? PS/2? USB? FireWire? Something that is Apple's own design?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:53 am
by nickman013
Grim... wrote: "WHAT'S A TWO-BUTTON MOUSE DOING ON A MAC? A LOT MORE THAN IT DOES ON A PC!"

:)
HAHA, Well they came out with a scrolling mouse, but that took 10 years.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:06 am
by pickle
pilau wrote:If we're already talking about Macs, what's the interface that the apple mouse uses? PS/2? USB? FireWire? Something that is Apple's own design?
USB. They do have two button mouse out as well, called the Mighty Mouse.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:08 pm
by nickman013
pickle wrote:
pilau wrote:If we're already talking about Macs, what's the interface that the apple mouse uses? PS/2? USB? FireWire? Something that is Apple's own design?
USB. They do have two button mouse out as well, called the Mighty Mouse.

oh, i didnt even know that mouse had a right click, i am really used to hitting the keyboard key to right click on my mac. that mighty mouse needs to be wireless, then i will buy it. Also that mouse doesnt come with all apple desktops, just the PowerMac G5's.