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Stupid FF
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:51 am
by shiznatix
I love Firefox and all and I can't live without my plugins but if I am doing stuff online and i have like somtin big going on lets say loading a large google video somtimes my browser will just go BAM and close. No question of 'you have about 10 tabs open, don't close your browser' or anything. I know this is probably something with my plugins so here is my plugin list:
-Adblock
-Noscript
-Greesemonkey
-Web Developer
All on FF 1.5 on Linux.
Anyone know of any problems with this combo or somthing that would do this to me!? Its horrible when it happens.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:54 am
by patrikG
Make sure you have Java disabled.
As a "workaround": get the SessionSaver extension - recovers tabs etc. after a crash.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:56 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
FF freezes a lot when browsing certain websites. Yahoo! News is a good example. Blame the website, not the browser - or at least disable Java and Flash unless you really need them.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:02 am
by s.dot
Videos used to cause all my browsers to crash.
- IE
- Opera
- FF
I never did figure out the problem.
It stopped happening when I bought a new computer.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:25 am
by Grim...
Maugrim_The_Reaper wrote:Blame the website, not the browser.
Er, no.
IE doesn't freeze up, so it's not the website's fault. Having to disable things that are pretty much standard for the web nowadays is not an acceptable solution.
I also find FF to be agonisingly slow at opening the download box when you download something.
I still use it, though.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:41 am
by Maltob
Linux is the only OS i have problems with firefox(no extra plugins)...which i feel is kinda weird since it pretty much originated from the linux community, thoguh i updated to the newest and it hasn't crashed yet
Or switch to opera

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:45 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
IE doesn't freeze up, so it's not the website's fault. Having to disable things that are pretty much standard for the web nowadays is not an acceptable solution.
Sorry, I haven't actually checked the reason for FF freezing on Yahoo! News - I assumed too much. Nevertheless, just because it works fine on IE, does not mean it's FF's fault - just that IE was extensively tested before its makeover launch last year. Of course I don't know either way so I'm going to shut up now...

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:57 am
by Roja
Grim... wrote:Maugrim_The_Reaper wrote:Blame the website, not the browser.
Er, no.
IE doesn't freeze up, so it's not the website's fault.
Thats not (neccessarily) accurate.
Just because IE takes some code and handles it one way, and FF handles it another, does not make IE's behavior right, and FF's wrong, nor does it mean that the website is not to blame.
You have to look at the code itself to determine that. There are solid odds that in fact, its using non-standard code, and in that case, the behavior by definition is undefined - and *any* behavior by *any* browser is reasonable, and its entirely the fault of the website.
I will say to the OP that AdBlock is consistently having problems for me on less reputable sites. When I run into problems, and disable AdBlock, I do tend to find the problem goes away in the majority of cases.
Thankfully, it makes up an extremely small part of my browsing, and as I said, the sites are pretty much the exact definition of untrustable sites.
Grim... wrote:Having to disable things that are pretty much standard for the web nowadays is not an acceptable solution
Acceptable solution is vastly different from effective troubleshooting technique. The OP is looking to diagnose the problem - so lets focus on that, before we jump on whether those steps are acceptable longterm, shall we?

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:44 am
by Grim...
By 'acceptable', I mean 'good'

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:12 am
by Roja
Grim... wrote:By 'acceptable', I mean 'good'

Like I said, lets diagnose the problem before rating the potential solutions.

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:39 am
by Ree
Believe it or not, but I had only one FF crash until now and I've been a FF user since the early versions of 1.0. That was some weirdo flash. Otherwise it never crashes, no matter how many tabs.
I'm still on my old PIII 450MHz + 320 SDRAM and Voodoo3 2000 PCI running WinXP Pro SP2. I never crash/hang, never, even though I always have Eclipse, Apache + MySQL, Photoshop, FF, email client and sometimes Winamp loaded.
Leaving only the software I need (without any additional installs/uninstalls) and regular system health checks do wonders for me.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:57 pm
by shiznatix
huh well interesting stuff guys. sadly i am never able to reproduce the crash so i can never pin point it down. it just seams to happen at random but it seams to always be when i am doing somthing with flash or somthing. I will take all into consideration and see what happens.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:59 pm
by John Cartwright
perhaps try to re-install/update your flash plugin, quicktime plugin, etc. ?
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:01 pm
by shiznatix
Oh I forgot, I also use the extension that makes all videos a link thingy and then you play them in your own media player so this HAS to be a flash thing but isnt there a new version coming out soon?
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:25 pm
by Roja
shiznatix wrote:Oh I forgot, I also use the extension that makes all videos a link thingy and then you play them in your own media player so this HAS to be a flash thing but isnt there a new version coming out soon?
Hmm. Not familiar with that extension.. if you figure out which it is, maybe we can test and try to recreate.
As to the new version, it's hard to tell. There are new nightlies almost every night (duh?), but point releases depend more on progress than on timelines. (In theory, they are supposed to be the opposite - more timeline driven - but so far, experience has said otherwise).
The next major point release (2.0) is due in late Q2, early Q3 of this year:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html