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Oren wrote:This won't really help you, but I'm very curious to know...
What a 19 years old guy is doing in Estonia with residency permits?
Why won't you go to the USA?
i was born and raised in the USA. I moved to Estonia when I was 18 to live on my own and start my own life. I have all of that now, my own apartment, job, friends, life, but the government kinda does not understand my love of this country and the laws on immigration are very strict.

As for all the responces of hot girls here and there and whatnot...apparently you have never been to Estonia, because the hottest girls in the world are here, I crap you not. If you don't believe me then you should come visit, I got some spare room for you to stay for free for the next few months until I get kicked out. I am where the hottest girls in the world are.

Other than that please, only give me information on what my original post was about. This is very serious situation for me as I will be seriously homeless wandering through Europe because my pride does not allow me to go back to the USA (as well as my political standing). I do not want to go back there, there is nothing for me there. I want to make a life for myself and Estonia had it for me, then is kinda kicking me out. I need somewhere to go to try my plan of making a life for myself again.

Please serious suggestions...
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Well, I was serious. It would have been 10x easier for my family to move to Poland and become citizens than it was to get my step-family here.
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Have you considered getting married or seeking legal representation?

Maybe even just lying low?
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i was born and raised in the USA
I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but how can you turn your back on the country you were born in?

For me it's hard to fathom anyone saying that, as I am strictly Canadian before anything else...and I think anyone (especially whose born here) should feel the same as well as though who immigrate here :)

In anycase...it's none of my business...I wish you the best of luck though dude...hope you find what your looking for :)

p.s-You got gutts moving to a different part of the world at 18...I was afraid to move out into the core ghetto area when I was 19... :P

Cheers :)
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Hockey wrote:
i was born and raised in the USA
I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but how can you turn your back on the country you were born in?
I have completely the opposite response to shiznatix's actions - I think it's very admirable that he would have the balls to do what he felt was right and travel to an unfamiliar country, especially at such a young age. Having grown up in a community which is so sheltered, and people hardly experience anything except for the "high life," I am looking to do the same when I get out of college. I'm very interested in the EU rules about the 1/16th heritage, Poland - here I come!
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Have you considered getting married or seeking legal representation?

Maybe even just lying low?
I already have legal representation as my good friends dad is a lawyer who specializes in people imigrating to Estonia and has promised to help me out for free. Still is messed up. Lying low won't work as I want to be able to come back here legally in like a year or so and maybe try again at this. The married thing has been brought up but I don't know if that is going to work. Maybe i will go propose to her now... :lol:
I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but how can you turn your back on the country you were born in?

For me it's hard to fathom anyone saying that, as I am strictly Canadian before anything else...and I think anyone (especially whose born here) should feel the same as well as though who immigrate here
I'm turning my back on nothing, litterally. There is nothing for me in the USA and so I came here and found what I needed. And yes, I feel the same way about Estonia as you do about Canada and since I did immigrate here I guess we can agree on the feeling of home :) . I would rant about 'home' and my place in the world and whatnot but I will spare you the drama.

Thanks for the support Todd_Z and everyone else!

I will fire some e-mails out today to Poland, England, and Ireland and see what happens. Although I have heard Poland is not the safest place in the world (never been there but most people here paint the picture that it is horrible) it is worth a shot. Are there any other countries that someone thinks would be good to try? Is Poland really as bad as I have been told!!!!??? How expensive it is in Ireland, I heard it was crazy expensive. Ill let you guys know if anything happens but also let me know if you have any more ideas.

Oh and by the way, those where some amazing games last night! Feel free to not be 'serious' anymore unless you have something serious to say :P
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Have you considered hopping across the water? It's not very far and the language is very much like Estonian which you surely can understand at least a bit by now.

Here is some useful links if you have.

Ministry for Foreign Affairs
Click Sevices for mor information

Ministry of Labour
Very useful

Open information technology vacancies
Jobdescriptions written are mostly in Finnish, but I think you can get the basic idea.

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Todd_Z wrote:
Hockey wrote:
i was born and raised in the USA
I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but how can you turn your back on the country you were born in?
I have completely the opposite response to shiznatix's actions - I think it's very admirable that he would have the balls to do what he felt was right and travel to an unfamiliar country, especially at such a young age. Having grown up in a community which is so sheltered, and people hardly experience anything except for the "high life," I am looking to do the same when I get out of college. I'm very interested in the EU rules about the 1/16th heritage, Poland - here I come!
Admirable??? I think the correct terminology is back stabber or traitor :P

Enough of this topic...it's turning sour...

Cheers :)
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Just because you don't live in the country you were born in doesn't make you any less native of it.

I'd love to move away from the UK and work abroad. I want to experience different things and different cultures. I'm sure it's a worthwhile and extremely satisfying experience. I'm with Shiz on this one.

And yes, let's keep this cool. This thread doesn't even come close to warranting a flame war ;)
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One think looks pretty obvious... Most people would like to move to another country... That's how we are - always think that anything is better than what we've got 8O
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Hockey wrote:Admirable??? I think the correct terminology is back stabber or traitor :P

Enough of this topic...it's turning sour...

Cheers :)
You must look at it as it is. I am an Estonian by birth. My grandfather any my relatives lived in this city. The Russians invaded, killed my family, and sent my grandfather (the only male) to a forced labor camp in Germany. He then (after crazy events) made it to America. So me moving back to Estonia is really being the Hero of my family as going back to conquor what was stripped from the family so many years ago. I feel that I am not 'back stabbing' America as much as I am helping my real home, Estonia. This is my home, this is my country, this is where I am ment to be.

wwwapu I am going hop that pond on friday if all else fails because then I can at least stay here for another 3 months. If I do and you are in Helsinki wanna meet up and grab a brew? Helsinki seams cool and I know the Finns are quite simmilar to the Estonians. The language is no problem as I know it is so simmilar (I watch the Finnish channels all the time) and I know the Finns like to drink a lot so your right up my alley.

Also, thanks for the links as I will definatly be taking a look at them to see what you good ol' Finns have to offer :P . I know your alcohol is expensive but I think that I will survive :)

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I am a slow poster (obviously) so yes, d11wtq is right as this is not even close to a flame war and I really hope that my statements show my position and if you don't agree, then please just don't respond outside of a PM.
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d11wtq wrote:Just because you don't live in the country you were born in doesn't make you any less native of it.

I'd love to move away from the UK and work abroad. I want to experience different things and different cultures. I'm sure it's a worthwhile and extremely satisfying experience. I'm with Shiz on this one.

And yes, let's keep this cool. This thread doesn't even come close to warranting a flame war ;)
I agree it would be neat to experience other cultures...as a Canadian I get to do that everyday but without leaving home :P

And there lies the problem...I'm sucha metling pot of cultures I have long since decided that Canada is my home...I love this country and it shows in everything I do...

What bothers me, is soo many people I know who are either immigrants or first generation Canadians are more supportive of their "home" land then they are of Canada...

This bugs me like nothing else...and I wish I had a plane ticket and the power to kick people like that out of the country :)

Why this worries me...is because it makes me question loyalties...the world is no more stable today then it was 67 years ago and I don't need to remind people what happened 67 years ago do I?

How many people would defect to home lands if for whatever reason during a world war?

Unlike many other countries...people don't move to Canada for "the experience" (temporary or not) they don't move here for the weather or exotic locations...what have you...

They come here because the freedoms and benefits out weigh everything else (health care, gay/lesbian rights, clean air, open spaces, equal opportunities, etc)

What bugs me is that people come here...take full advantage of the system and still proclaim loyalty to some other country...

Anyways...i'm not sure of Shiz's intentions...but it sounded like he was permanent...meaning he's seeking permenant residence...

Which is ok...I mean...preventing that is blocking a freedom in itself...but his loyalty to another country other than his actual native land is what makes me cringe...

Other than that it's all good 8)

Touchy subject for me...so i'll shut up now :P
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Hockey wrote: What bothers me, is soo many people I know who are either immigrants or first generation Canadians are more supportive of their "home" land then they are of Canada...
To make this short, I am a immigrant to Estonia, and I respect the country more than any other. I don't come here and say 'this should be America!' I come here and say, Home Sweet Home - let's learn Estonian! I 100% agree with your idea but I came to Estonia and did what you want all immigrats to Canada to do, I loved the country I was in instead of wanting to move my first country to my new home. No, you respect the country your in and I do that will all my heart.

BUT I will still root for the USA in the world cup, frankly because Estonia sucks at soccer (football for you weirdos)!

That was not short was it?
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shiznatix wrote:I already have legal representation as my good friends dad is a lawyer who specializes in people imigrating to Estonia and has promised to help me out for free. Still is messed up. Lying low won't work as I want to be able to come back here legally in like a year or so and maybe try again at this. The married thing has been brought up but I don't know if that is going to work. Maybe i will go propose to her now... :lol:
Getting an immigration lawyer sounds like probably the best thing to do. People that I have known coming from the EU into the US have had good results (and lighter wallets) using immigration lawyers.


PS - It is interesting that nationalism is often strongest in those who recieve the fewest benefits from being citizens of their countries.
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Why this worries me...is because it makes me question loyalties...the world is no more stable today then it was 67 years ago and I don't need to remind people what happened 67 years ago do I?

How many people would defect to home lands if for whatever reason during a world war?
Not many. Which I think is a hard pill for many to swallow.
What bothers me, is soo many people I know who are either immigrants or first generation Canadians are more supportive of their "home" land then they are of Canada...
Why shouldn't they be? It's funny because we probably see two different sides of the coin. If I were to move abroad, my first choice would be Canada. I spent two weeks just north of Kitchener three years ago and I loved it. Canadians are like Irish people with funny accents - you have a similar relaxed approach to life. We have a few cultural similarities. The US (and no offence) seems hectic in comparison. But if I did move, should I forget where I came from? I'm Irish - not Canadian. In time I could jump on the Canada bandwagon, but I can't imagine ever forgetting my roots - it's part and parcel of who I am. People just aren't built to switch patriotism to another nation quickly.
Getting an immigration lawyer sounds like probably the best thing to do. People that I have known coming from the EU into the US have had good results (and lighter wallets) using immigration lawyers.
Organise before you enter the EU. A few nations have tightened up immigration laws to a ridiculous level, even Ireland has to a degree and the government has taken a few bad hits from the fallout. (I hope they all get elected out next year.) Get in touch with the immigration authorities or immigrant groups for advice if possible.
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