What is the most stable browser?
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What is the most stable browser?
So just a moment ago I had another browser crash. Mozilla 1.7.13 on XP. Very very annoying. Happens quite often actually. Often it has to do something with either viewing PDF, advertisements on a page or wacky javascript. I also use Firefox. Have both running at the same time, Moz for browsing because I've all my bookmarks in them, FF for developing.
But I'm wondering: does anyone know how browsers compare in stability? What are your experiences? Do you know of any tests?
Restarting a browser takes only a few seconds, but finding and opening all 50-100 tabs I had opened takes some more time. So you can understand how frustrating that gets. Would be interesting to hear your experiences.
But I'm wondering: does anyone know how browsers compare in stability? What are your experiences? Do you know of any tests?
Restarting a browser takes only a few seconds, but finding and opening all 50-100 tabs I had opened takes some more time. So you can understand how frustrating that gets. Would be interesting to hear your experiences.
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Yeah I have to say, Firefox on my linux box occasionally either self-closes without warning or the window suddenly drops all it's borders, title bar etc and just hangs (though that could be a Gnome issue).jamiel wrote:FireFox on Windows
Konqueror on Linux (FireFox on my Gentoo crashes about 2 times a week)
Konqueror? Stable? It never used to be stable in the slightest a couple of years back which, apart from it's poor rendering is why I stopped using it.
I'd move to Opera if it would start rendering CSS correctly.... it's pretty close now but FF still seems to beat it on that count for me. I'm pretty sure it's more stable than FF though.
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Re: What is the most stable browser?
Couple of quick hits:matthijs wrote:So just a moment ago I had another browser crash. Mozilla 1.7.13 on XP. Very very annoying. Happens quite often actually. Often it has to do something with either viewing PDF, advertisements on a page or wacky javascript. I also use Firefox. Have both running at the same time, Moz for browsing because I've all my bookmarks in them, FF for developing.
- You can use the Google bookmark sync to keep bookmarks sync'd between Moz and FF with little effort.
- Viewing PDF's is 100% due to the plugin, not Mozilla. There are alternative plugins for PDF viewing, by the way.
- Ads can be tamed with AdBlocker.
Do those three, and each of the situations you listed would be avoided - potentially reducing your crash likelihood, without touching the browser.
In my experience, Firefox on Windows is the most stable. Opera crashes on some javascript pages I visit, and will "blink away" (close without notice) about once every few hours. I haven't narrowed down the cause yet.matthijs wrote:But I'm wondering: does anyone know how browsers compare in stability? What are your experiences? Do you know of any tests?
On Linux, I will echo the other comment about Konqueror. I'm honestly amazed at how stable it is lately. Back in the day, it was an unimpressive browser, but these days? Very smooth, very solid.
Use http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=47184 , (Session Saver for Firefox), and it won't take even a few seconds!matthijs wrote:Restarting a browser takes only a few seconds, but finding and opening all 50-100 tabs I had opened takes some more time. So you can understand how frustrating that gets. Would be interesting to hear your experiences.
Cool. Thanks for all the responses guys! Good tips Roja.
Luckily I'm in the process of moving to my mac so hopefully that will be better. But then again I'll have to sync both systems. But I see that Google bookmarks sync can take care of that too. Cool. (whether I want Google to know even more about me is another question, but hell, it's too late anyway
).
I'll check out other plugins for PDF's. In fact, it would be the best if they didn't open in the browser at all.
Adblocker I'll check out. Sensionsaver looks cool too.
Luckily I'm in the process of moving to my mac so hopefully that will be better. But then again I'll have to sync both systems. But I see that Google bookmarks sync can take care of that too. Cool. (whether I want Google to know even more about me is another question, but hell, it's too late anyway
I'll check out other plugins for PDF's. In fact, it would be the best if they didn't open in the browser at all.
Adblocker I'll check out. Sensionsaver looks cool too.
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Re: What is the most stable browser?
I have been using Opera since version 5, that came out many years ago. Over all these years I have had Opera maybe crash on me twice and those were old 5 versions. I always upgrade to the latest version as soon as it comes out. This includes even the beta versions.matthijs wrote:So just a moment ago I had another browser crash. Mozilla 1.7.13 on XP. Very very annoying. Happens quite often actually. Often it has to do something with either viewing PDF, advertisements on a page or wacky javascript. I also use Firefox. Have both running at the same time, Moz for browsing because I've all my bookmarks in them, FF for developing.
But I'm wondering: does anyone know how browsers compare in stability? What are your experiences? Do you know of any tests?
Restarting a browser takes only a few seconds, but finding and opening all 50-100 tabs I had opened takes some more time. So you can understand how frustrating that gets. Would be interesting to hear your experiences.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
I am online using Opera 6-10 hours a day and for the the past 6-7 years only a couple of crashes using version 5 is damned good.
If you don't want to try the beta versions you can get the Opera 9.00 final version here...
http://www.opera.com/download/
If you want to be able to run Java Applets be sure to download the latest version of Sun Java JRE (J2SE(TM) Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 7).
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
Like I have said before I use Opera for everything. I am a web developer and use it as my developement browser as it is the most standards compliant browser on the market.
Also Opera is one of the Fastest browsers on the market. It smokes Firefox.
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html
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Actually Opera renders CSS correctly. It is the most compliant browser out there when it comes to CSS. Opera 9 also passes the Acid 2 CSS rendering test. Firefox doesn't even come close to passing that test.d11wtq wrote:I'd move to Opera if it would start rendering CSS correctly.... it's pretty close now but FF still seems to beat it on that count for me. I'm pretty sure it's more stable than FF though.
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
Plus, Opera has some of the people who created the CSS standards working on their browsers.
Not true any more!AKA Panama Jack wrote:Opera 9 also passes the Acid 2 CSS rendering test. Firefox doesn't even come close to passing that test.
Firefox's Reflow branch now correctly renders the Acid2 test:
http://diary.e-gandalf.net/2006/04/12/meet-mr-face/
http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2006/0 ... cid2-test/
Also, remember, the Acid2 test does not test compliance to CSS - it tests key features in CSS and HTML that are poorly supported in browsers, and which (if consistently available) would deeply improve CSS coding on the web today.
I'd disagree with that statement as well.AKA Panama Jack wrote:Actually Opera renders CSS correctly. It is the most compliant browser out there when it comes to CSS.
Opera has more than a few bugs with its CSS implementation: http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/Opera9Bugs/
http://www.geocities.com/csssite/opera/bugs.xml
Notably, at the least, Firefox gets border-collapse right, while Opera doesn't.
I'm not saying Firefox is better, I'm simply saying that Opera "renders CSS correctly" is not == true, and "Opera is the most compliant browser" is not == true in all cases.
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I don't use IE if I can avoid it. I like Opera because of its memory use and load time, though for some reason Opera 9 is choking on the StyleSheet for DevNet. FireFox is still my favorite and I have never had an issue with the browser itself. The extensions and themes are unbeatable in FF. But Opera is slowly working on me. I'm not ready to become and Opera devotee, but I am liking it more and more each day.
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Maybe you should find a more up to date site.Roja wrote:Opera has more than a few bugs with its CSS implementation: http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/Opera9Bugs/
http://www.geocities.com/csssite/opera/bugs.xml
I mean the last version is build 8321, which is from March and was still in beta, that he has apparently tested on and we are at build 8533. And he is apparently not really that accurate and more than a little biased as he doesn't have any real list of Firefox CSS problems and they are many.
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This discussion (or a similar one) yesterday led me to update my Opera to version 9. As soon as I did it stopped reading the stylesheet for the Sherbet theme here. Back to Firefox with ye (at least for devnet).
Side note: With the exception of loading a PDF once (before the PDF viewer FF extension) FF has never crashed on me. Am I lucky or did I just get the good download?
Side note: With the exception of loading a PDF once (before the PDF viewer FF extension) FF has never crashed on me. Am I lucky or did I just get the good download?
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