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Yahoo! and MSN using CSS

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:07 am
by Burrito
I noticed yesterday that Yahoo! and MSN are now using CSS / <div> layouts vs tables.

I checked this about 6 months ago and they were still using tables at that time....wonder when they made the switch?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:10 am
by RobertGonzalez
Yahoo just handled their business about a month ago. They are still touting it as the 'New Yahoo'. Not sure about MSN (I don't use them much).

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:21 am
by Burrito
damn it...I was using both of them as excuses to not jump on the css bandwagon...now I have no more leverage. :cry:

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:23 am
by RobertGonzalez
The bandwagon rolls on... won't come along for the ride?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:39 am
by daedalus__
Burrito. It is time.

If you want some simple examples I have lot's of old layouts.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:47 am
by Roja
Burrito wrote:damn it...I was using both of them as excuses to not jump on the css bandwagon...now I have no more leverage. :cry:
Sadly, both are still not HTML/CSS compliant, and Google is still holding out.. The world progresses so slowly.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:16 pm
by shiznatix
somebody post a 'these are the major reasons to use css instead of tables'. no, my website won't be used on a pda or a cell phone.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:22 pm
by daedalus__
CSS is less markup and easier to maintain.

Done.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:39 pm
by Benjamin
Designing and maintaning an enterprise level CSS based standards compliant web site is a major undertaking and a pain in the a$$...

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:39 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Plus it makes us look cooler at parties. :wink:

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:50 pm
by daedalus__
It can't be any worse than a table, can it?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:00 pm
by Benjamin
Simplebits was able to pull it off with ESPN but it's no easy task.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:17 pm
by Roja
shiznatix wrote:somebody post a 'these are the major reasons to use css instead of tables'. no, my website won't be used on a pda or a cell phone.
I'm assuming you mean that the tables are being used for layout - not for tabular data (which you should use tables for!):

- Lower bandwidth costs (More $)
- Easier maintenance (Less time spent = More $)
- Reduced load times for all users (More customer satisfaction)
- Look and work better for more users (More customers)
- Standards compliant (a requirement for Government websites)

Stolen/summarized from multiple articles:
http://adaptivepath.com/publications/es ... 000266.php
http://brainstormsandraves.com/archives ... /30/money/
http://www.stopdesign.com/articles/throwing_tables/