New URL on other nameserver, what now?

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Post by fatman »

Hi again :D

To be honest, if I am being confusing, it's most probably because I am confused mostly.

My old domain is: http://www.sunrise-lmg.com
My new domain: http://www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org

The control panel for the new domain offers me the option to "update the nameservers" and in there I can put the DNS of my host where I have my pages. Now, it was my understanding that if I entered the new domain as a "Parked domain" in the c-panel of my page host, this should work?
This is what they say on that page:
"Domain pointers allow you to "point" or "park" additional domain names to your existing hosting account. This will allow users to also reach your website when entering the "parked" or "pointed" domain into their browsers."

But for this I need to point the new domain to my old domains nameserver?

My ultimate concern is that I need the SE's to see my site behind my new domain and recognise it without accusing me of "redirecting" or "duplicating" ala Google

Hope this makes more sense
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No, you still need to get the domain to resolve to your old IP address. The parked domain stuff is just for apache to VirtualHost alias it.

See, when a user types domain1.tld into their browser, not only do they send a request to the IP of domain1.tld, they also send the name "domain1.tld" in that request. It's that name that apache uses to figure out where the website is. That's what the stuff in CPanel does.

Just looking at this:

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d11wtq swiftmailer.org # ping www.sunrise-lmg.com
PING www.sunrise-lmg.com (213.230.203.88) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 213.230.203.88: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=11.6 ms

d11wtq swiftmailer.org # ping www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org
ping: unknown host www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org
The domain hasn't been set up to have an IP on the nameserver it's pointing to.

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d11wtq swiftmailer.org # dig ALL www.sunrise-lmg.com
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 13908
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ALL.                           IN      A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
.                       10800   IN      SOA     a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2006082200 1800 900 604800 86400

;; Query time: 23 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Aug 22 14:37:39 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 96


; <<>> DiG 9.2.5 <<>> ALL www.sunrise-lmg.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 61752
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.sunrise-lmg.com.           IN      A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.sunrise-lmg.com.    3349    IN      A       213.230.203.88

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
sunrise-lmg.com.        172549  IN      NS      ns2.dnszones.net.
sunrise-lmg.com.        172549  IN      NS      ns0.dnszones.net.

;; Query time: 13 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Aug 22 14:37:39 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 101

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d11wtq swiftmailer.org # dig ALL www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 48166
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ALL.                           IN      A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
.                       10761   IN      SOA     a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2006082200 1800 900 604800 86400

;; Query time: 14 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Aug 22 14:38:17 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 96


; <<>> DiG 9.2.5 <<>> ALL www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 53690
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org. IN A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
org.                    10538   IN      SOA     tld1.ultradns.net. domadmin.ultradns.net. 2006176572 1800 900 604800 86400

;; Query time: 13 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Aug 22 14:38:17 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117
Those two results of running "dig" on the domains you have confirms my suspicions. There's not one single NS record for the new domain, so there's no way to resolve an IP for it.

I suggest you don't try pointing it to another DNS. Just open the control panel for you new domain, use their own nameservers by placing "213.230.203.88" in the "A" record field.

If you already have http://www.holidayrentalpropertyportugal.org set up as a parked domain in CPanel just wait for the changes to propogate.... it might only take a few hours.
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Post by fatman »

Hey, thanks man

This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. It makes sense.

I have just done that and I'll wait for the nameserver to change. I do trust this is my solution.

In closing, I know I may be nagging a bit? Does this configuration mean the SE's will see the meta and content of my pages when they look at my new domain? Can I give links from this domain?
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Re: I'm learning to fish now!

Post by Chris Corbyn »

fatman wrote:Hey, thanks man

This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. It makes sense.

I have just done that and I'll wait for the nameserver to change. I do trust this is my solution.

In closing, I know I may be nagging a bit? Does this configuration mean the SE's will see the meta and content of my pages when they look at my new domain? Can I give links from this domain?
Once the domain resolves, providing it's been aliased correctly (i.e. CPanel has parked it) then it is effectively exactly the same as your other domain and will function in just the same way.
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Post by fatman »

Thanks, d11wtq

You were right on the money!!

Everything works just perfect. I apreciate your help and I thank you for your patience.

Hope I can roll a stone out of your way one day. If you ever decide to have a holiday in Portugal, contact me or use my website and I will look after you.

Regards
Gerard Appelman
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Re: You are a star!

Post by Chris Corbyn »

fatman wrote:Thanks, d11wtq

You were right on the money!!

Everything works just perfect. I apreciate your help and I thank you for your patience.

Hope I can roll a stone out of your way one day. If you ever decide to have a holiday in Portugal, contact me or use my website and I will look after you.

Regards
Gerard Appelman
Hehe, no worries buddy. I'm sure I'll be back in Portugal at some point, although on a package holiday, but thanks :P Praia da Rocha's the nicest tourist area I've been there yet. Glad you got it sorted ;)
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