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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:16 pm
by alex.barylski
feyd wrote:Does that make me disturbing? Maybe, but in reality I'm just desensitized to it all.
Keyword right outta my mouth :P

That sums it up nicely...although I can't personally watch surgery videos...it makes my knees sore...

I don't *want* to see this video, but I wouldn't turn my head away either...I can handle it...it would sadden me...heck I might even cry a little...but emotionally...I can deal with death...something we should all learn to accept...the sooner the better I guess... :)

Cheers :)

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:19 pm
by alex.barylski
Obadiah wrote:
feyd wrote:desensitized
that is all i can agree with you guys that want to see it....would you still want to see it if it was your brother or son dying....would you still marvel at a the stingray peircing him in the heart with his barb....maybe its just me....i dont get it...i honestly dont get it 8O
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once again just in my own opinion...not aimed at anyone
No...I don't think anyone would want to see their next of kin over and over again get slaughtered, stabbed, etc...

The thing your missing though, is Steve Irwin...isn't even remotely related to any of us here...would I talk like this around his family? no...of course not...out of respect for the family...but they aren't here...and it's no illegal to want to see a video of some one dyning...

Like it's been said already. Steve probably would want it that way anyways...

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:38 pm
by nickman013
Hockey wrote:Morbid curiosity...most people have it...infact I would argue all people have it, some just supress their desire better than others.

I could care less if I don't see it, but if shown I would watch...yes...

It's natural human behaviour to want to see someone before and after death...it has to do with our cognition of death...

I don't think it has anything to do with being "sick" as you say...just a basic human characteristic.

The five stages of death and dying:
. Denial
· Anger
· Bargaining
· Depression
· Acceptance

The last and final stage is typically only completed when your convinced there is nothing left to do, so you let life go on...it's an essential step.

You've never heard the expression: "Like a bad car accident, I didn't want too look, but I did anyways"

Many people use that analogy on a daily basis, where do you think it comes from?

Cheers :)
Exactly.

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:06 pm
by Luke
it's not natural for me... I don't want to see anybody die. I know a lot of people who are the same way. My girlfriend for instance... COULD NOT watch somebody die on a video... she would turn her head away. (as would I)

Every time I see this thread title I get sad. I don't know why... it feels like I lost somebody I know. Which is very strange... because I didn't even like the guy. I can't figure out why it bothers me so much. I wasn't even real shook up about my grandma dying... :?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:07 pm
by alex.barylski
The Ninja Space Goat wrote:it's not natural for me... I don't want to see anybody die. I know a lot of people who are the same way. My girlfriend for instance... COULD NOT watch somebody die on a video... she would turn her head away. (as would I)

Every time I see this thread title I get sad. I don't know why... it feels like I lost somebody I know. Which is very strange... because I didn't even like the guy. I can't figure out why it bothers me so much. I wasn't even real shook up about my grandma dying... :?
This is a sensitive issue, and just as bad as politics and religion...and yet it's not getting locked??? I say something silly and I get my message dropped...and this is allowed??? :P

Just kidding mods...just kidding... *pokes like pilsbury doe boy* Hee hee

Anyways, Ninja...I would argue it is natural for you to look, but as humans we strive to often seperate outselves from our inner animal...

Animals don't: Style their hair, get breast implants, wear color contacts for the sake of vanity, etc...

They do however mourn the loss of their loved ones and fellow kin. They often stare death in the eye and depending on where they sit in the food chain, literally stare death in the eye :P

I can't tell you how or how not to deal with death, as everyone deals with it differently...some seek the acceptance of a higher power, others, like agnostics as myself, seek inner strength and acceptance of what life has to offer and occasionally take.

It sux when people die in tragic consequences, maybe even more than old age. But thats life: C'est la vie

Please understand that I am not a monster for saying I would watch the video. I'm not. In fact, if you knew me personally, I think you'd say the opposite. I give what little money I do have to charities occasionally, I comfort all those that I can in times of greif and disspare. I assure you I am not an animal, but I do have some instincts which carry over from once being an animal.

Many people need visual proof of ones passing, it's a very natural feeling to want to see someone in death. It comes to us all eventually, so it might be our way of dealing with the fact that it ain't all that bad.

95% of funerals I have attended have been open casket, it's like that in most cultures...it allows us to accept and move on as your life will be wasted if you spend it fretting about someone else's death.

We all fear what we do not know or understand and death is one subject which cannot be studied from a scientifc standpoint but it is not a psuedo-science like astrology, so everyone is curious of it's purpose, reason, etc...

The one universal truth all living creatures shares is life and death. So IMHO anyone interested in death is no more threatening than someone interested in life itself.

The problems only arise when people want to "cause" death... :?

Cheers :)

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:02 pm
by daedalus__
I don't think it is wrong to not feel a thing when people die?

The only time that I feel any kind of emotion about it is when I feel the circumstances were immoral or unjust. Generally, that would be when someone is killed in cold blood for no reason that I can see and even then the only thing that I think is that person's murderer should be killed, if not tortured and then killed.

Perhaps I am just sick?

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:44 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Death is something that everyone is faced with and everyone comes to. We just handle it differently. Gore is something totally different.

I don't think anyone is sick or disturbing for wanting to see the footage as long as the footage is not providing them some sick fulfillment to a disturbed fantasy. At the same time, not wanting to see it doesn't make anyone more or less 'sensitive'. It appears to me to be a matter of preference. T

here were people that used to watch that dude's show for the sole purpose of seeing if he would get mauled by a crocodile or some other savage animal. It is what he did. It was his risk that brought the entertainment factor to the table. It is the reason he was in the water with that stingray and, unfortunately, maybe sadly, it is the reason he is no longer with us.

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:29 am
by alex.barylski
Daedalus- wrote:I don't think it is wrong to not feel a thing when people die?

The only time that I feel any kind of emotion about it is when I feel the circumstances were immoral or unjust. Generally, that would be when someone is killed in cold blood for no reason that I can see and even then the only thing that I think is that person's murderer should be killed, if not tortured and then killed.

Perhaps I am just sick?
Tortured??? :P

Are you from Texas?

I don't believe in capital punishment...as a Canadian I stand behind that 100%

Perhaps my opinion would change if someone in my family was murdered, but thankfully that hasn't happned so I can remain unbiased in my decision.

There are too many false positives in identifying the actual culprit...sure it gets less and less each year with DNA testing, etc...

Here's the thing, just one false positive...and someone innocent dies...thats not right...so capital punishment from a pragmatic perspective doesn't make sense...

Morally speaking, I also disagree. I don't believe there is any single person, Judge, Doctor, Mother, Father, Brother, etc...who should have the capacity or legal right or whatever to terminate the existence of another human being, except that individual themself (suicide).

I don't condone sucide, nor do I condem it...it's a personal choice and impossible to legalize...I have no more opinions on the subject other than that :P

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:39 am
by RobertGonzalez
Ok, let's try to stear clear of the capital punishment debate here. That is a sure-fire way to get this thread locked.

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:41 am
by alex.barylski
Sorry :oops:

I'll avoid this subject here on in I promise :wink:

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:45 am
by RobertGonzalez
Ok. I'd just rather stay away from politics and focus more on the man and his work.

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:06 am
by daedalus__
I thought he was amazing.

You wouldn't catch me letting snakes jump at my face. :roll:

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:16 am
by Luke
Wasn't the greatest actor in the world though...

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:54 pm
by Obadiah
not to bring back up a hutful memory but i was on msn earlier and came across this http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=235653&GT1=7703 although the "death video" isnt gonna show
(of which im a bit happy about) there is a rather cute/touching video of his daughter giving a awsome tribute to
her pops...check it out :)

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:15 pm
by Obadiah
[quote=msn]
Next month, Animal Planet will air a special night of programming honoring Steve, including the show he was filming when he died.
[/quote]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16177169/?GT1=8816