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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:04 am
by Jenk
When the only real difference in terms of availability between MS and "The rest" is the use of DX.. 15GB compared to my (very generous I might add) Gentoo install that sits on a 512MB partition.. yes, it's very much over the top.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:14 am
by RobertGonzalez
Funny how a question about the Opera browser went this far into OS discussion. Oh well, I guess this is the general topic forum...

I installed Fedora Core 4 onto a PIII 733 laptop with a 12GB hard drive. When it was done, I had 9GB left. 3GB seems like a lot for an OS. 15 seems like a heckuva lot. But as it relates to Opera, and development, I develop to a standard first, then makes things work within their environment. All the better when things work out of the chutes, but as long as they work to the standard, I'm happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:52 am
by matthijs
3GB for Fedora sounds good. I think the thing is with an os which takes 15 gb but doesn't do anything more, there must be some bloat. And in general, I always prefer the lightest software. Small programs always start up faster, are easier and faster to backup/re-install, and leave more space for other stuff. Even though HD space isn't expensive, I know many notebooks still have fairly small ones. Like when you have 30,40 or 60 (like in my macbook) you don't want the system and software to take up 30GB.

Talking about speed, I do like Opera! If only all (FF) developer extensions could also be on Opera... I would know which one I'd use.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:16 am
by RobertGonzalez
I so agree with that. As soon as Opera becomes more like Firefox in the extensions it uses, I'll be all over it. I like its load speed, it overall look and feel, and its small memory use. But is just doesn't seem as extensible as Firefox yet.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:32 pm
by MrPotatoes
there's few things that FF has that Opera doesn't

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:42 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Can Opera manage Greasemonkey scripts and the Firefox extensions (or something similar)?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:49 pm
by Mordred
Everah wrote:Can Opera manage Greasemonkey scripts and the Firefox extensions (or something similar)?
It has "User Javascripts" which are generally speaking GM compatible, and all the important things that Firefox has 3rd party extensions for are built in ;) Okay, I admit, I'm a zealot :)

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:05 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Being a zealot is fine if you can back it up. I know what I am looking for in a development tool (when it comes to browsers). If it can give me what I want then I am golden. If I can get the same extensions in some form in Opera I would be more inclined to go with that browser.

Do you have any clues on how to get these extensions going in Opera:
  • IE Tab
  • the XML Developer Toolbar
  • the Web Developer Toolbar
  • Restart Tabbed Firefox
  • FireFTP
  • Greasemonkey
  • PDF Download
  • Colorzilla
  • ServerSpy
  • Sage
  • ErrorZillaMod

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:19 pm
by Mordred
Everah wrote:Being a zealot is fine if you can back it up. I know what I am looking for in a development tool (when it comes to browsers). If it can give me what I want then I am golden. If I can get the same extensions in some form in Opera I would be more inclined to go with that browser.
For some crazy reason, I use my browser mainly for browsing, and that's where my feature requests are usually directed ;)
J/k -- I know there is high demand for extensibility in Opera, but alas - it is not done (yet?). Sorry - no extensions at all. What's your trouble with Firefox (as a dev tool) if you have what you need? And as a browser even - it's fairly good, fairly fast and fairly secure.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:25 pm
by RobertGonzalez
It has some memory use issues that, as the day progresses, seems to make the browser slower and my system sluggish. I love everything about it. But Opera is a faster, lighter browser that I could see myself getting into. But for now, I will stay with Firefox. It still blows IE out of the freaking water.

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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:07 pm
by Sekani
Congratulations Sekani, you're banned. Have a super day!

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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:47 pm
by Ambush Commander
Opera's great as a light-weight solution. I don't imagine myself doing web-development work on it though.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:03 pm
by RobertGonzalez
I really only use it for viewing my markup. Same for IE. I use Firefox exclusively for browsing, testing and development.