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Zend and Microsoft Partnership
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:40 pm
by infolock
I dunno if anyone alread posted this (if they did, sorry), but if not you may interested in reading this.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061031/tc_ ... ft_zend_dc
Sounds to me like Zend's idea of commercializing PHP is coming more and more true.
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:48 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Zend, as a business, seems to be growing up... Microsoft, as a business, seems to be smartening up...
IMHO
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:49 pm
by kaszu
I think it's "Can't beat them, join them" from Microsoft.
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:50 pm
by Luke
Microsoft's way of doing business reminds me SO much of the guy I used to work for. Whenever I try to imagine Bill Gates, all I can picture is my old Boss.
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:05 pm
by akimm
Zend, as a business, seems to be growing up... Microsoft, as a business, seems to be smartening up...
IMHO
Indeed, microsoft has been making strides to start accepting open source, sort of coming closer and closer to it over these years.
While the once obtuse open source products like unix, have developed easier methods and modes for lesser skilled indivuals.
Hopefully they'll meet in the middle ground and we'll all have some sort of computer bohdi..
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:03 pm
by onion2k
Twelve-year-old PHP runs on more than 22 million Web sites and is used inside 15,000 companies.
For the 4.5 million software developers using PHP, the partnership represents a victory for pragmatism, industry analysts said.
15,000 companies, yet 4.5 million developers? There must be a lot of very big PHP dev companies I've never heard of.

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:33 pm
by Jenk
Here's hoping we don't see any segregation between linux and windows 'versions' oh the php/zend engine. At least not anymore than we do already

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:13 am
by infolock
well, i know in a conference we had with Zend, they are looking to commercialize php and enforce license purchases in order to use it. This is just one of the steps they are using to go into that direction.
Now, I know some one ( or many all ) will flame that statement, but it's true. Take it as you will.
I only know we told them that we told them that if they DO this type of thing. there will be an open source development group that will just remake the free version of php on their own and they will go down the drain with the others.
just to clarify why i posted this to begin with

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:55 am
by printf
In what infolock said is some what true, but I know many of the developers have said that PHP will always maintain a community release, but will in the near feature follow the MySQL business model, where they have different versions based on the type of support you purchase. Which is really the only way any company will truly survive in the IT work place. Because support services is always over 70% of any projects lifetime overall cost! Sure that not true in open source land, but it is if you deal with IT level services.
I know at a resent workshop I was speaking at, Rasmus and Wez talked about keeping PHP separate from Zend because they both have different reason for existing. I also know that Rasmus has always said, that PHP growth and development model is community based, it's the community that has made PHP what it is today, not Zend!
printf
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:58 am
by RobertGonzalez
I can see this moving into a 'Who wants to rebuild PHP' mega thread...

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:25 pm
by alex.barylski
I read the article and followed each message...
It certainly sounds like PHP or rather Zend is trying to commercialize...which is fine...and understandable.
From what I understand PHP now, is little more than the language itself and includes all it's bindings and interfaces (mysql_query, etc)
Zend on the other hand is the parsing and execution engine...the meat and potatoes of it all. I'm not sure what the implications might would be if Zend *really* commercializes everything, but I think we've all experienced this already and it's either affected us in a positive manner or not at all...
Zend core sounds alot like what I've read above...but doesn't sound like it will hinder any development for me personally...same goes for it's optimizer, etc...
I don't think I'd worry to much about anything yet...but maybe I don't understand completely...
Cheers

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm
by onion2k
I think it's more likely that Zend want to establish PHP as a viable alternative to ASP.Net on IIS so they can sell Zend Encoder, Accelerator, Studio and maybe some advanced version of Framework. I shouldn't think they'd start charging for the language itself, that'd be like handing most of their following a very good reason to shift to Ruby.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:16 pm
by Luke
onion2k wrote:I think it's more likely that Zend want to establish PHP as a viable alternative to ASP.Net on IIS so they can sell Zend Encoder, Accelerator, Studio and maybe some advanced version of Framework. I shouldn't think they'd start charging for the language itself, that'd be like handing most of their following a very good reason to shift to Ruby.
yea I agree... I believe the folks over at Zend are wise enough not to <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> off the largest group of its customers.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:38 pm
by m3mn0n
Impressive news.
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:16 am
by anjanesh