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ITT Tech? What is you take on it??

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:46 am
by ThichHeaded
http://www.itt-tech.edu/

I am wondering what people think of this school.

I have been accepted to go there, which in reality I do want to but from what I understand after researching that this school has a few flaws in it.

Such As:

Teachers don't teach.. Most of them anyway..

The staff is more worried about money.

Credits aren't accepted in most places if you decide to move on or leave.

Hard to get a job after stating you went to ITT Tech.

They say:

The school is one of the best to teach anything computer related.

Staff is well trained and know what they are doing. The stuff we do is all up to date and can be learned in this school.

Credits are accepted everywhere.

We place roughly 80% of students with jobs before they graduate from school here.

So My question to you guys is this:

Have you ever heard anything positive/negative about this school? If so what was it and how did it affect the persons life afterwards.

I am just adding to my research so I don't make some stupid mistake. Cause 35 grand is a lot of money to waste on a piece of paper.

Anyway thanks for commenting on this for me..

BTW 1st post.

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:40 am
by RobertGonzalez
I know they are expensive. And I know in Northern California that the jobs they tend to land for students are typically entry level, below average paying jobs. They do get you work from what I understand, but I have heard that the work they get you is often lower level than what you originally went to school for.

Keep in mind that a lot of what I posted here was picked up in casual conversation will people from a wide array of technical fields.

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:01 pm
by feyd
From the people I've talked to and known throughout my career, most of these schools ITT and Devry and a few others carry a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of other professionals. It seems to mostly stem from the very low level of education they provide. It's a good baseline, but it should be considered more of a community college, not a real university. Use them as a spring board to get a baseline for further education, not the end level.

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:53 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
If you can get into a local University, you're better off doing that.

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:51 pm
by alvinphp
We place roughly 80% of students with jobs before they graduate from school here.
They will place you into what amounts to an intern position where they will let you go in six months for the next group of interns.

My advice to you is get into a university and get the regular 4 year degree. It is not so bad and if you are poor it is practically free with all the government assistance.

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:53 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Or you could do what a lot of us around have done... teach yourself. At least that is what I did (with a lot of help from the folks in these forums :D ).

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:42 am
by ThichHeaded
Everah wrote:Or you could do what a lot of us around have done... teach yourself. At least that is what I did (with a lot of help from the folks in these forums :D ).
I have been trying to do this on my own for at least 3 yrs..

Back when PHP 4.3.0 was out and PHP 5.0 was beta.

For some reason I can not get my fingers around it.

I can usually get around with doing things on my own but I cant get the concept of php and mysql.

I have learned alot of things on my own. from blowing fire, to doing 3d, to REAL world history, to stupid info that nobody would ever think of..

The reason I am thinking about school is because it will force me to learn what I can not.

Besides I only found this site yesterday..

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:00 am
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Everah wrote:Or you could do what a lot of us around have done... teach yourself. At least that is what I did (with a lot of help from the folks in these forums :D ).
I'm not going to college to learn, I'm in college to get a degree so the higher ups can be reassured that I know the stuff.

Trust me, a degree is worth it, my dad has been making $20,000 per year less for the past 10-20 years then he would have with a degree..

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:35 am
by RobertGonzalez
d3ad1ysp0rk wrote:
Everah wrote:Or you could do what a lot of us around have done... teach yourself. At least that is what I did (with a lot of help from the folks in these forums :D ).
I'm not going to college to learn, I'm in college to get a degree so the higher ups can be reassured that I know the stuff.

Trust me, a degree is worth it, my dad has been making $20,000 per year less for the past 10-20 years then he would have with a degree..
I left college after two years with a 'D' average (except in Math, where I had a 'A' average). I have no degree, until three months ago had no real-world development experience and was able to land a job that pays me as much as, if not more than, a lot of people with degrees. Degrees are not nearly as important as an HR manager would have you believe.

PS | Thanks to this forum and several online tutorials, I have learned PHP in about three years. My join date on these forums is about a week after I started looking into PHP.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:16 am
by Luke
I agree with Everah about this forum... look at my posts a year ago... not that I'm a total expert now or anything, but if you compare my posts a year ago to my posts now, it's a world of difference. Come here, and read posts by feyd, Ambush_Commander, d11wqt, Maugrim_the_reaper, arborint, Everah and a few others. These guys KNOW THEIR STUFF and are extremely helpful (if not directly, just by posting their opinions and ideas). I have learned an immense amount from all of them (arborint... you da man)

EDIT:
Oh yea... and get involved in an open source project... perhaps the OSCommerce Rebuild. There is no better way to learn than by doing.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:38 am
by RobertGonzalez
The Ninja Space Goat wrote:I agree with Everah about this forum... look at my posts a year ago... not that I'm a total expert now or anything, but if you compare my posts a year ago to my posts now, it's a world of difference. Come here, and read posts by feyd, Ambush_Commander, d11wqt, Maugrim_the_reaper, arborint and a few others. These guys KNOW THEIR STUFF and are extremely helpful (if not directly, just by posting their opinions and ideas). I have learned an immense amount from all of them (arborint... you da man)

EDIT:
Oh yea... and get involved in an open source project... perhaps the OSCommerce Rebuild. There is no better way to learn than by doing.
Very well stated Ninja. Of course, I half expected to see my name in your list, but I guess I can forgive you... for now :wink:.

Seriously though, if you want to learn about PHP functionality, search feyd's posts. OOP? Search for arborint. Security? Maugrim_the_Reaper. Mail? Search for d11wtq. GD? Search for onion2k. There are a lot of others here that know a lot of stuff, and searching for their posts might actually help you learn a lot quickly.

Ninja is right. A year ago he was a thread-derailing goat-baby maniac. Now he is knowledgeable, upstanding member of our community that I would love to have babysit my kids. :twisted:

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:45 am
by Luke
What are you talking about?? Your name is on there! Image

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:52 am
by RobertGonzalez
The Ninja Space Goat wrote:Come here, and read posts by feyd, Ambush_Commander, d11wqt, Maugrim_the_reaper, arborint and a few others.
I must be 'a few others'.

EDIT | Just saw your new list. I am truly touched. I am crying tears of joy... :cry: and dancing like a silly banana Image

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:30 pm
by d3ad1ysp0rk
Knowing your stuff and having a degree is a completely different ball game.

I know my stuff. I've been developing for roughly 3 years as well, and altough this forum has made a world of a difference in terms of knowlege, it's not something you can put on your resume.

Do to that fact, I'll be making between $15-20/hr as a developer, until I get a degree. Don't even bring freelancing into this, because I've made $30-75/hr doing that, but it's not the same.. especially when I've just been connned out of $2,100 worth of work. Sometimes going to an 8-5 job is just so much easier.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:35 pm
by Luke
d3ad1ysp0rk wrote:I know my stuff. I've been developing for roughly 3 years as well, and altough this forum has made a world of a difference in terms of knowlege, it's not something you can put on your resume.
I agree...
I wrote:Oh yea... and get involved in an open source project... perhaps the OSCommerce Rebuild. There is no better way to learn than by doing.
"Major contributor/Project Leader/etc." of a well-respected or even just well-done open source project is a nice resume booster.