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Re: Vista advice

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:01 pm
by Burrito
AKA Panama Jack wrote:Stay away from Vista at all costs because there are many other bad things about it like how it keeps track of your web surfing, installed software and a bunch of other things and reports it back to MS. Then there is the hardware issue... If you use a non-MS authorized driver Vista can completely shut down your computer and not allow you to use it. This information is reported to MS as well. Basically MS will be able to control what drivers and other support software is installed. If it isn't in their white list they can deny you access to your computer. Some security companies have reported that it would be easy to create a Vista only virus that would trigger this shutdown causing hundreds of thousands of computer to go dark. Image what that would do for many businesses.

Vista is so flawed it never should have been released. They basically created Big Brother in the form of an Operating System.
do you have anything to substantiate any of this?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:07 pm
by Luke
Stay away from Vista at all costs because there are many other bad things about it like how it keeps track of your web surfing, installed software and a bunch of other things and reports it back to MS
Nice, OS-level spyware. :roll:

Re: Vista advice

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:09 pm
by AKA Panama Jack
Burrito wrote:do you have anything to substantiate any of this?
The information is on this site. Someone posted links to the information 1-2 months ago. You might want to do a search for it.

Re: Vista advice

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:54 pm
by matthijs
AKA Panama Jack wrote:
Burrito wrote:do you have anything to substantiate any of this?
The information is on this site. Someone posted links to the information 1-2 months ago. You might want to do a search for it.
Maybe that was me with a link to this document?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:23 pm
by AKA Panama Jack
Yeah, that was one of them. It prompted me to look at other resources out there to verify what he wrote. He is pretty much on the money with most of it. Vista is one of the worst operating systems out there.

If more game and application companies would start writing for MacOS I would definately switch from Windows. I would be more than happy to buy a copy to run on my intel machine.

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:17 am
by matthijs
Yeah that was me posting something I read from someone else's post 2 weeks before that :)

Thanks for all the great input guys. I know for sure now I won't have to recommend Vista to these people. I'm not waiting for those phone calls asking me why their pc's are so slow.

Maybe I even recommend a Mac Mini. However, I'm always a bit cautious with that, because for many people being used to windows it still is a big change, and if they can't play their favorite Flight Sim game or whatever that's not good either. However, now I know how much better Mac is I will at least point it out to them as a valid option.

It's such a waist to see people buy brand new pc's for $1000-1500, to use it for internet, email and writing a letter now and then. And then having all this trouble getting things working, solving problems, dealing with viruses and spyware, slow systems etc etc. Not too long ago I helped a family member. Before I tried to mess with the system I back upped his files. They all fit on a single 64mb USB stick! And he had a 160GB HD ..

And then those computers magazines. I used to buy them once in a while. Until I didn't need to anymore, because I realized that the main content was always something like "10 ways to improve the speed of XP", "The best antispyware software", "How to clean up your system", etc etc

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:39 am
by nadavvin
Why to waste money on mac or windows if there very good looking and useful metisse:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7010358542

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:57 am
by feyd
nadavvin wrote:Why to waste money on mac or windows if there very good looking and useful metisse:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7010358542
Because there are few, if no other desktops out there that support 16GB of RAM and four PCI-E x16 slots. ;)

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:30 pm
by daedalus__
feyd wrote:Because there are few, if no other desktops out there that support 16GB of RAM and four PCI-E x16 slots. ;)
?!?!>! just the thought of that makes me hot

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:28 pm
by alvinphp
So, I have been using Vista Ultimate for about a month and I have to say I am pretty impressed with it. As I was installing on an existing computer I was worried about compatibility issues, but everything worked fine. Instead of words like "properites" to change your background and colors and stuff it now says "Personalize". Even iTunes worked fine with my Nano. Very refined compared to previous versions. In terms of additional functionality I do not really see much, this upgrade is mainly polish.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:11 am
by matthijs
A family member did buy a pc with Vista but his experience has been very bad. It's the home edition I think. The reason I didn't get him to switch to anything other then windows was the software he had. Games and stuff. Well surprise surprise, most of that software didn't work on Vista ...

Furthermore, half of his external hardware didn't work. He gave away his scanner and had to buy a new one. Remember, this is an average computer user, not someone browsing tech forums and being able to hack into the system to solve problems like this.

Also, installation wasn't easy. A lot of hickups and problems, did take him a few days to get everything (well, not everything apparently) running.

So it wasn't really "Wow" for him ...

(maybe "Wow, did they work on this for 7 years?")

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:44 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I'm afraid a lot of hardware still has no Vista drivers - it's becoming a bit lame at this stage, the Vista sale numbers (released recently) are pretty uninspiring also. Bill Gates can tout its success all he wants but in reality it's woefully undersold. I attended a business update meeting last week and none of us could really see much point in updating from XP. For gamers also, the killer games like Crysis, Alan Wake, etc. are still months away.

To be honest I think the hardware requirements are a little frightening - XP for the last three years has enjoyed a very stable run in terms of required hardware and even the gamers have enjoyed a few years where gaming requirements haven't shifted very much from the old proc/ram formula (mainly the video card had the biggest impact). Now all of a sudden we have Vista, the new generation of video cards where even current processors can't match their throughput, and folk recommending 2GB of RAM. It's going to be a while before people not using OEMs push money into an upgrade...

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:24 am
by s.dot
The Ninja Space Goat wrote:
Stay away from Vista at all costs because there are many other bad things about it like how it keeps track of your web surfing, installed software and a bunch of other things and reports it back to MS
Nice, OS-level spyware. :roll:
Well, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about ;) Although I have issues with liking to be private. I even surf mainly via proxies. Does it report it back anonymously?