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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:46 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
"True" developers are not restricted to languages/syntaxes.
That's because "true" developers tend to educate themselves in at least one new language a year if possible, and keep in touch with them. Nothing worse than a programmer with outdated skills...;). You never know after all if PHP6 will flop entirely and Ruby will miraculously overtake it.

If going for the web application industry you should have at least PHP and Java capable of being added to the resume. There is little to no demand for Ruby (at least where I am) since it's likely too new and even the RoR hype is too aligned with PHP for everyone with a PHP investment to just switch over. Still, Ruby is one to watch - it's alignment with PHP makes it worth learning (aside from RoR which as a framework buries details you still want to know anyway).

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:35 am
by DrTom
jmut wrote:
DrTom wrote:...Python - Better performance wise. Not 'true OOP' like Ruby...
Can you give example. How is python not true OOP like Ruby?
Well, I guess saying it's not 'true OO' is inaccurate since in Python, all data are objects. But Python has a more
procedural syntax when dealing with some objects(len() for example), while Ruby offers just the OO style syntax.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:04 am
by Jenk
Maugrim_The_Reaper wrote:
"True" developers are not restricted to languages/syntaxes.
That's because "true" developers tend to educate themselves in at least one new language a year if possible, and keep in touch with them. Nothing worse than a programmer with outdated skills...;). You never know after all if PHP6 will flop entirely and Ruby will miraculously overtake it.

If going for the web application industry you should have at least PHP and Java capable of being added to the resume. There is little to no demand for Ruby (at least where I am) since it's likely too new and even the RoR hype is too aligned with PHP for everyone with a PHP investment to just switch over. Still, Ruby is one to watch - it's alignment with PHP makes it worth learning (aside from RoR which as a framework buries details you still want to know anyway).
I think it's higher than that. Higher in a sense that application design (and the patterns) are applicable to many languages. A "True" developer is not someone who knows the function reference like the back of their hand, imo, a "True" developer is someone who can apply an idea, who can tailor a system to meet requirements. Choice of language should be down to technical limitations of the language, not the developer. :) (but is often at the mercy of office politics)

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:54 am
by jyhm
Just a question, do you guys have to were ties at work? :wink:

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:39 am
by RobertGonzalez
I don't have to wear a tie, but I have to wear pants (which I totally disagree with, but I guess for what I'm getting paid I can at least accommodate that) :wink:

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:37 am
by jyhm
Dude you were pants bro? I refuse completely and strip down to my under-ware, put on an Native American head dress and beat a drum like a raving lunatic.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:22 pm
by alex.barylski
I work from home....guess what I'm wearing??? :P

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:51 pm
by feyd
We don't want to know...

8O

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:51 pm
by Jenk
Depending which office I am at, I may be required to wear a suit, but usually get away with a collar and tie, and either no jacket or a smart jumper if it's chilly.

The office I am at currently I only have to wear a shirt with proper trousers.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:11 pm
by Luke
I used to have to wear a tie and all that jive at my old job. My new job is WAY casual. I wear the clothes I would wear anywhere else. Sometimes I'll wear polo shirts to work, but that's about as professional as it gets.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:20 pm
by Jenk
Does anyone else find they feel a lot more professional (and tend to get a lot more done) when they are wearing shirts/suits compared to when casual attire?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:29 pm
by superdezign
Not if it's cold. I'm the only one at work that doesn't hang up their coat.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:41 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Jenk wrote:Does anyone else find they feel a lot more professional (and tend to get a lot more done) when they are wearing shirts/suits compared to when casual attire?
No, I am a hell of lot more productive when I am comfortable, which at worst is in polo shirts and casual slacks.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:13 am
by Jenk
I've never found shirts with collar, and a tie to be uncomfortable, unless I haven't shaven that morning. Maybe that's why I don't mind them as much as others.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:06 am
by RobertGonzalez
I'm a fat bastard (at the moment) with a 22.5 inch neck. Trying to put a tie on me is like trying to tie a string around a balloon. And for me it feels just about the same, almost like my head wants to explode off my body.

When I was thinner and had a more reasonable size neck, I didn't mind as much, but I was still not comfortable with a tie on.