Sadly, I'm no longer going to be visiting here. Rather than describing why, I'll simply quote my last post from the Moderator forum. It should explain why.
Bye.
m3mn0n wrote:That's absurd & not what I'm saying at all. Simply put, those are related technologies and in order to facilitate PHP developers it's necessesary to talk about and mention them and how they relate to PHP and problems that arise with them in relation to PHP development. And in doing so it doesn't make us any less of a community that revolves around PHP, if anything it makes us a better PHP community because we do have forums and coverage for those related things.Everah wrote:That is like saying that I need to know PHP in order to use PHP in order to use Linux, Ajax, mod_rewrite and CSS. That is simply not the case.m3mn0n wrote:I couldn't disagree with that more. Linux, Ajax, mod_rewrite, CSS, and etc discussion might not be PHP in and of itself, but it's not right to suggest it's not PHP related.
And you may simply be referring to another definition of the word "related." I'm not suggesting those things are in fact related in terms of functionality or similarity, I'm suggesting they're related in terms of usage in the same web development process.
Of course web development is the focus, but specifically speaking it's been PHP web development that is and has always been the focus. And simply because our forums that centre around PHP related things have activity, doesn't make this any less of a PHP centred forum.Everah wrote:We have given web development the focus here. I agree with you 100% that a majority of our success is derived from from PHP assistance. But if you look at the numbers, Client Side and Databases receive quite a bit of traffic.
And if you looked into some of the older threads which talk about the goal of the PHPDN, you'll see it all surrounds the concept of advancing, promoting and supporting PHP web development. My signature has a quote from one of them.
I really never did believe I'd ever be required to convince people the PHPDN is and should be a PHP focused network/forum/community. And the PHPDN is called "The PHP Developer's Network" but I think this goes back to a lack of a solid identity, organization, and leadership. And as the only real organized body responsible for being leaders and establishing and promoting an identity within the community and around the web, it's deplorable that the selfish personal preference (which directly contradicts established goals) of a few in power are dictating actions (and in certain situations, inactions) in terms of moving away from our goals and, might I add, could very well lead to irreversible damage.
I don't really care what you or other people's motives are for trying to change/spin something as obvious as our goal as a community (perhaps a nicer resume feature?), but quite frankly it goes against everything this site should stand for and it undermines the people who volunteer their time to work towards that goal. And it's wrong.
IMO if you're not in agreement with the established goals, why take on a leadership position? And if, perhaps, your preference changed after your leadership promotion, why not hold off on your anti-PHP preference and do the right thing here which is be a champion for the cause?
Instead of the right thing here what we have is small efforts here and there to undermine the goal and no doubt these will be used as reasoning when yet another serious change proposal comes up. Specifically, an example would be the name at the top and the preferred usage of "DevNet" instead of PHPDN. I've suggested the name be corrected at the top multiple times and even multiple times in this thread. And I've already voiced my opinion about the anti-PHP preferred acronym.
Basically, I'm tired of this constant fight and having to deal with attitude and hostility when I'm trying to do nothing but revive the amazing network that the PHPDN was. Yeah, I know many of you joined here (and in some cases, learned PHP) long after we went into this current mode, but there is those of us out there that were around for the hay day, and been moderators here since the good ol' days and would like to see it return.
But I really don't ever see that happening again now. Especially considering a simple suggestion to correct the site name gets me a "let's contact Jason about that" response and earlier it took debating for hours to simply establish forums here for discussion reviving the network. So I'll do you guys a favour, here's one less vote against your anti-PHP camp.
Please demote me.
I'm done here.