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Xaraya

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:11 am
by anjanesh
Hi

I dont find many sites powered by Xaraya CMS. Most of the common ones are Joomla, Drupal etc.

If you've used Xaraya, what do you think about it ?

Thanks

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:31 am
by Benjamin
Personally, I think frameworks are a cookie cutter approach to programming. I'll get burned for that comment, but frankly I bake my cookies from scratch, and they turn out well.

My own framework would kick the living crap out of any existing framework out there, and there is no way in hell I'll release it. WHY? Cause good programmers don't give their smurf away!

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:50 am
by John Cartwright
astions wrote:Cause good programmers don't give their smurf away!
Zend? PHP? Opensource? Shall I continue?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:00 am
by RobertGonzalez
astions wrote:Cause good programmers don't give their smurf away!
I don't personally agree with that. There are a lot of freely distributed and distributable code that is given away and that is good. And the programmers that give it away are pretty good at what they do. Some programmers are are nice enough to share something good with the community. Some are not. But not giving away something doesn't make them good and just because they are good doesn't necessarily mean they are selfish.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:05 am
by alvinphp
astions wrote:Personally, I think frameworks are a cookie cutter approach to programming. I'll get burned for that comment, but frankly I bake my cookies from scratch, and they turn out well.

My own framework would kick the living crap out of any existing framework out there, and there is no way in hell I'll release it. WHY? Cause good programmers don't give their smurf away!
This was my thinking for years. Now I don't have time to code so my attitude has changed about frameworks and I have been spending some time researching the popular ones. I have to admit that Drupal is pretty impressive and gives people that know how to program in PHP a lot of control.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:34 am
by Benjamin
Yeah I'm sorry. I have to admit that I could never create anything worthwhile without using Zend, Pear or Smarty.

In fact I made this site a few months ago that uses three frameworks and a CMS that I bought from a company listed with the BBB. I'm trying to figure out why it's so slow though.

Maybe I just need to setup a few mysql slave servers and buy some load balancers. That should fix everything.

I know there is nothing wrong with the code though, as it's all OOP and all the Unit Test's have passed with flying colors. Also I know the XHTML isn't slowing it down because there was this website on the internet which told me that my code was standards compliant.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:42 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
Personally, I think frameworks are a cookie cutter approach to programming. I'll get burned for that comment, but frankly I bake my cookies from scratch, and they turn out well.
Consider yourself scorched, engulfed in flames, a crispy critter ;).

I also love doing my own thing, but once your time is pared down to a stiff schedule you quickly lose that luxury. 90% of my projects are either using the Zend Framework, Symfony, or if library based are fast heading towards Zend Framework proposals since I can't abide taking without giving something back. Whoever wrote Swiftmailer is pretty much guaranteed a donation at this stage too ;). Can't let him get eaten by sharks, or sucked dry in the outback without a few dollars to spend first.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:45 am
by Benjamin
Ya that is why I created an accelerated development environment that writes code for me. Saves loads of time.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:52 pm
by Benjamin
Maugrim_The_Reaper wrote:[but once your time is pared down to a stiff schedule
Mine is stiff, but I went my own way. I'd challenge anyone to a speed & quality contest for a database driven application any day.

It's really funny to watch a lot of the people on here lust over such trivial things when a lot of you are missing the big picture. I sure can't convince you. You all live in your own world.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:09 pm
by RobertGonzalez
astions wrote:It's really funny to watch a lot of the people on here lust over such trivial things when a lot of you are missing the big picture. I sure can't convince you. You all live in your own world.
Try not to let this get out of hand. Making a generalized statement like that about 'You all' in unnecessary.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:10 pm
by Benjamin
Let me apologize Mr. Modnificent. I shalt now attempt to remain objective at all times and avoid the rath of the law.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:25 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Thanks. That is what I was hoping for. If trying to keep the forums free from personal attacks and blanket generalizations of people's character is too much to ask, perhaps these forums are not the right place for you.

PS Thanks for the PM. Maybe we should keep our conversations to PM?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:28 pm
by Benjamin
Everah wrote:Thanks. That is what I was hoping for. If trying to keep the forums free from personal attacks and blanket generalizations of people's character is too much to ask, perhaps these forums are not the right place for you.

PS Thanks for the PM. Maybe we should keep our conversations to PM?
What in gods name are you talking about?

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:36 pm
by RobertGonzalez
astions wrote:
Everah wrote:Thanks. That is what I was hoping for. If trying to keep the forums free from personal attacks and blanket generalizations of people's character is too much to ask, perhaps these forums are not the right place for you.

PS Thanks for the PM. Maybe we should keep our conversations to PM?
What in gods name are you talking about?
I was replying to your previous post:
astions wrote:Let me apologize Mr. Modnificent. I shalt now attempt to remain objective at all times and avoid the rath of the law.
And given the context of the PM you sent me, I thought it more appropriate to keep our conversation regarding this topic to PM's so this thread is filled with little blue smurf's all over the place.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:44 pm
by Kieran Huggins
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