No proof of insurance ticket is STEEP
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You crack me upKieran Huggins wrote:Up here in Canada the Mounties are tough as well. Just last week I was sledding along, minding my own business and a Mountie stopped me for a "routine" dog inspection. Now I know that chihuahuas aren't your typical sled dog, but they do just as well when you have 30 or 40 pulling one sled. I consider his actions to be breedist, it's actually cheaper in the long run since they're smaller and more modular, but try telling the Mounties that!
Long story short, he confiscated half my supplies and I had to spend the next 2 days in Fort McMurray while waiting for 40 insulated harnesses and 160 special order snow boots. Where am I going to store all that equipment when the thaw comes in July?
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Lets restate this a bit:The Ninja Space Goat wrote:maybe where you come from. here, they're all a bunch of incompetent pieces of crap. They pull me over like once a week and search my entire vehicle for being on probation from a dui almost 3 years ago, and yet when my parents truck was stolen, they did not even INVESTIGATE. They didn't do ANYTHING. They said... "actually, we don't believe anybody stole your truck. We think you're trying to get insurance money". They left it at that. The End. Tell me those people are awesome. They are lazy, fat, and incompetent. They get off on giving people tickets for stupid crap and yet when it really comes time to do their job, they don't.Charles256 wrote:You should always like the cops. They do things I don't want to think about. Go cops!
1. You were fined (just $10), for not following a clearly stated law in your motor vehicle exam and (usually) in every bit of paperwork done through your motor vehicle department.
2. You admit to having a history of breaking motor vehicle laws - including one that puts others at risk.
Sounds like the police were very competent to me. They were making sure that someone that has put others at risk in the past had proof of insurance protecting the public from paying for potential damages you could cause.
The police aren't my favorite, but lets be fair - you were busted doing something you shouldn't, after a history of doing things you shouldn't, which put others at risk.
And the car theft thing? That does suck, but its very common. Ironically, car insurance has an option for dealing with that.
The comment they made about who was responsible, on the other hand, was slimy.
Which I don't find excessive at all... $10 for not carrying proof of something sounds reasonable.1. You were fined (just $10), for not following a clearly stated law in your motor vehicle exam and (usually) in every bit of paperwork done through your motor vehicle department.
True - but I wasn't breaking any when I was pulled over, and I don't know if "a history of breaking laws" is accurate. I've broken one major law when I was 18 and paid for it (upwards of $5000 + 2 days in jail + community service + 3 yrs probation). Now I agree that I could have paid even more... I could have killed somebody. I know.2. You admit to having a history of breaking motor vehicle laws - including one that puts others at risk.
In this particular instance, you're right. Most of the time however, the cops are useless, incompetent, fat, and are on a power trip in Paradise. This isn't true in Chico where the cops actually have something to do.Sounds like the police were very competent to me. They were making sure that someone that has put others at risk in the past had proof of insurance protecting the public from paying for potential damages you could cause.
yupThe police aren't my favorite, but lets be fair - you were busted doing something you shouldn't, after a history of doing things you shouldn't, which put others at risk.
In my opinion, this is a shining, perfect example of why cops in Paradise are pieces of crap.And the car theft thing? That does suck, but its very common. Ironically, car insurance has an option for dealing with that. Wink
The comment they made about who was responsible, on the other hand, was slimy.
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So I got pulled over again. They pulled me over for NO REASON on a Sunday afternoon. Then the officer called for backup, got two other officers (and two other cop cars) over to the scene to search my girlfriend and I and my car top to bottom (to find nothing). It was really fun! I like being searched and having every person in town drive by and see that the cops are searching me AGAIN. I hate the stupid pigs in my town. 
Not having that paperwork on you though does cause problems. Consider what you are asking of the government otherwise. You are asking that they trust that you've indeed registered your vehicle, or that you have indeed passed your driver's exam. These are required.
Now, you can assume that you should be able to just show up and prove it at the court house or something at a later date, but what you fail to realize is that this has several problems.
First, they don't know if you are telling the truth when they've stopped you, so they could be letting you go when you haven't even registered your vehicle or have a driver's license.
Also, they've alread given you a chance to produce the requested items. By you showing up at a later date and time, you are wasting more time and money. You have to go down to the courthouse or wherever, wait in line, and take up some workers time to show something you should have had on you. It might not seem like much, but the fact remains you should have that stuff on you at the time. Indeed, as mentioned, they could do a lot more if they actually wanted.
There are a lot of misconceptions about law enforcement. Quota's are an example. People wonder why we need a quota system in place. It's actually rather simple: cops are human, and humans are generally lazy. Quota's exist to ensure cops are actually doing their job rather than just ignoring every infraction they see.
All in all, most cops want to uphold the locally established laws. But that's key. Locally established. People look at law enforcement as the government, but in truth, police are dictated by the local laws they are sworn to uphold. This means keeping the peace at a local level. So yes, if you are upsetting the local peace, expect to be watched more carefully.
Frankly, I've heard a lot of stories from people regarding police, and all too often they start with them doing something wrong. Minor, but wrong nonetheless.
Take something as simple as jay walking. I mean, who cares, right? It's jay walking! And yet I've seen police hand out tickets near where I work. Once or twice a month they stand around off the side and catch people jay walking. And you might think "What a waste of money!", but the sad fact is, it's dangerous and against the law.
Think of the direct ramifications of someone jay walking: They hit my car, causing me to possibly kill the pedestrian as well as possibly hurt other people. Suddenly it costs a lot of people time, money, and health.
From a purely personal point of view, me hitting a pedestrian who is jay walking could cause me to be hospitalized. This affects my life, as well as the life of those around me. All because someone did something the vast majority of people consider harmless.
People also forgot what cops really do need to go through. Consider that they are in a real line of work that really does put them in danger. They don't know what's going to happen when they pull someone over. Sure as <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> this is going to make them more nervous.
And it's not pure ignorance speaking here, either. I've been searched. Indeed, one time the person I was with was speeding a bit and we got pulled over. It was late at night on the weekend, and I had forgotten to buckle up, though I was in the back seat.
Now, as we pulled over, I quickly buckled up.
This little action leads to suspicion of me hiding drugs, and they pull all of us out and search us and the car. Sure as <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> the cops aren't polite, but rather matter-of-fact (granted, most people associate this with being rude.)
Anyways, the point of all of this is to say that in general, cops do take a lot of undeserving <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span>. Sure, there are good cops and there are bad cops, but if you did something wrong, don't be surprised if they punish you.
Now, you can assume that you should be able to just show up and prove it at the court house or something at a later date, but what you fail to realize is that this has several problems.
First, they don't know if you are telling the truth when they've stopped you, so they could be letting you go when you haven't even registered your vehicle or have a driver's license.
Also, they've alread given you a chance to produce the requested items. By you showing up at a later date and time, you are wasting more time and money. You have to go down to the courthouse or wherever, wait in line, and take up some workers time to show something you should have had on you. It might not seem like much, but the fact remains you should have that stuff on you at the time. Indeed, as mentioned, they could do a lot more if they actually wanted.
There are a lot of misconceptions about law enforcement. Quota's are an example. People wonder why we need a quota system in place. It's actually rather simple: cops are human, and humans are generally lazy. Quota's exist to ensure cops are actually doing their job rather than just ignoring every infraction they see.
All in all, most cops want to uphold the locally established laws. But that's key. Locally established. People look at law enforcement as the government, but in truth, police are dictated by the local laws they are sworn to uphold. This means keeping the peace at a local level. So yes, if you are upsetting the local peace, expect to be watched more carefully.
Frankly, I've heard a lot of stories from people regarding police, and all too often they start with them doing something wrong. Minor, but wrong nonetheless.
Take something as simple as jay walking. I mean, who cares, right? It's jay walking! And yet I've seen police hand out tickets near where I work. Once or twice a month they stand around off the side and catch people jay walking. And you might think "What a waste of money!", but the sad fact is, it's dangerous and against the law.
Think of the direct ramifications of someone jay walking: They hit my car, causing me to possibly kill the pedestrian as well as possibly hurt other people. Suddenly it costs a lot of people time, money, and health.
From a purely personal point of view, me hitting a pedestrian who is jay walking could cause me to be hospitalized. This affects my life, as well as the life of those around me. All because someone did something the vast majority of people consider harmless.
People also forgot what cops really do need to go through. Consider that they are in a real line of work that really does put them in danger. They don't know what's going to happen when they pull someone over. Sure as <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> this is going to make them more nervous.
And it's not pure ignorance speaking here, either. I've been searched. Indeed, one time the person I was with was speeding a bit and we got pulled over. It was late at night on the weekend, and I had forgotten to buckle up, though I was in the back seat.
Now, as we pulled over, I quickly buckled up.
This little action leads to suspicion of me hiding drugs, and they pull all of us out and search us and the car. Sure as <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> the cops aren't polite, but rather matter-of-fact (granted, most people associate this with being rude.)
Anyways, the point of all of this is to say that in general, cops do take a lot of undeserving <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span>. Sure, there are good cops and there are bad cops, but if you did something wrong, don't be surprised if they punish you.
Now that is a bunch of rubbish if I have ever heard any. I have met my fair share of police who are just uneducated individuals with low self esteem who get off on the power they have to arrest people. If I had it my way, police would need to pass a psychology test before being eligible to be an officer to ensure they are doing it for the correct reasons.
It's a cold day in hell when leaving your license at home is probably cause to assume there "may" be something illegal in your car.
It's a cold day in hell when leaving your license at home is probably cause to assume there "may" be something illegal in your car.
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I'm not sure about other states, but in California becoming a police officer takes an act of God. The testing, background checks, criminal checks, recommendations needed, academy time and then finding a city to work for becomes daunting.
I am not saying that gives the officers carte blanche to do as they choose, but they do have some level of attainment they need to achieve before becoming an officer of the law in California.
I do know that some officers get a little overzealous in their efforts to uphold the law. I think for them it is mostly a reaction to the violence officers have endured recently all over the country. Not to mention criminals seem to be getting more and more bold these days and wearing a badge does not offer nearly as much protection as it did in the past.
That does not give them reason to act as they do. Also, I know for a fact in California that police officers are required to have a warrant, probable cause or your permission to search your vehicle if they are not arresting you (an arrest is probable cause). I believe the same is true for searching your person. You are not required to give them permission, and if they use the line that they can get a warrant, tell them to do that. There is no officer is his right mind that is going to ask his captain to stand by his decision to seek a warrant from a sleeping judge in the middle of the night because he suspects you have weed in your car.
Anyway, maybe it is time you left paradise and found a little nitch in hell, here in the east bay dude...
I am not saying that gives the officers carte blanche to do as they choose, but they do have some level of attainment they need to achieve before becoming an officer of the law in California.
I do know that some officers get a little overzealous in their efforts to uphold the law. I think for them it is mostly a reaction to the violence officers have endured recently all over the country. Not to mention criminals seem to be getting more and more bold these days and wearing a badge does not offer nearly as much protection as it did in the past.
That does not give them reason to act as they do. Also, I know for a fact in California that police officers are required to have a warrant, probable cause or your permission to search your vehicle if they are not arresting you (an arrest is probable cause). I believe the same is true for searching your person. You are not required to give them permission, and if they use the line that they can get a warrant, tell them to do that. There is no officer is his right mind that is going to ask his captain to stand by his decision to seek a warrant from a sleeping judge in the middle of the night because he suspects you have weed in your car.
Anyway, maybe it is time you left paradise and found a little nitch in hell, here in the east bay dude...