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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:44 am
by matthijs
did you read the comments? There seems to be some controversy about some of the claimed hacks
besides that, has there ever been a bug free beta release?
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:20 am
by jayshields
matthijs wrote:besides that, has there ever been a bug free beta release?
I can't speak for anybody else but the bugs found in the beta copy of Safari on Windows work on the production copy on OSX as well
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:25 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I think it's interesting seeing as how Adobe just released Adobe Air (i.e. Apollo) which incorporates WebKit and also runs on Windows. Coincidence?

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:49 am
by jayshields
Why's that got anything to with it? I thought it was just a program that allows you to launch web apps from the desktop.
On a side note, have you guys heard that the iPhone isn't going to support (Adobe) Flash - but thinks it's still going to be able to play YouTube stuff?
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:41 am
by The Phoenix
jayshields wrote:Why's that got anything to with it? I thought it was just a program that allows you to launch web apps from the desktop.
It had a lot to do with it, in theory. The big link is that Adobe has produced one of the finest new Javascript engines in the world. That engine will be incorporated into Mozilla (and thus Firefox) in v3 of their browser. Its also used for Safari. Without it being ported to run on Windows, Apple would have multiple js engines, or other weird solutions that wouldn't give the same benefit. (Cross platform development and testing)
jayshields wrote:On a side note, have you guys heard that the iPhone isn't going to support (Adobe) Flash - but thinks it's still going to be able to play YouTube stuff?
Yes. The key is the codec being used on YouTube. Previously, it was a video format that Apple didn't ship codecs for. Now, youtube is converting their videos to a standard Apple ships. Means no substantial difference for people using the flash version, but a huge benefit for appleTV & iPhone.
It bears mentioning that youtube was bought by Google.
Apple in turn has the Google CEO as a member of its board of directors.
The beauty of being able to develop for Safari, and know that it will work on Windows, Mac's, and iPhone is significant. Add in AppleTV, and its pretty delicious.
The real interesting turn of events is that somehow, ajax apps can 'touch' iPhone apps - you can launch calls and do voicemail. Not sure when the API for that will be released, but its definitely cool.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:53 am
by superdezign
Awesome ^_^
I had no idea Apple had a tie with Google. Microsoft may have the OS, but Apple looks like they may end up having everything else.
Karma.

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:05 am
by JayBird
Hmmm...no text AT ALL after i installed it

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:20 am
by superdezign
It's only crashed on me twice.
However, it gives me a lot of "page could not be loaded" a few second after I edit and save documents on my local server. That's a little annoying.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:27 am
by Luke
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:28 am
by RobertGonzalez
I have had no problems with the browser so far. I have had multiple tabs, SSL sites, Javascript intensive sites, the whole enchilada, and it has worked without a hitch. My only biznitch at the moment is that it is really slow loading most pages, but that could be my firewall connection.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:53 am
by Luke
whoa, check it out!
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html (go there with safari of course)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:19 am
by superdezign
Whoa. Safari did better than Firefox.
Unexpectedly, of course, IE was.... IE. (And I'm using v6.0 of it. :-p)
Now, if only Safari would stop telling me "Safari can't open this page because the server stopped responding." Every other browser tries a little bit harder than that before giving up and blaming the server.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:28 am
by RobertGonzalez
Dude, Safari's rendering was the only one I have seen that comes close to what is expected (actually, it looked dead on).
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:30 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
jayshields wrote:Why's that got anything to with it? I thought it was just a program that allows you to launch web apps from the desktop.
Pretty much what The Phoenix said. WebKit is used by Adobe Apollo (sry, Adobe AIR now

). Which means Adobe is assured of a stable Windows port, which Apple has been working on for Safari (and which no doubt will turn up on the WebKit site soon if not already). Maybe the link isn't as clear cut as that - but the timing of both the Adobe AIR and Safari releases seem more than coincidental.
Edit: WebKit for Windows is due later today according to the WebKit blog

.
http://webkit.org/blog/
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:37 am
by Luke
Everah wrote:Dude, Safari's rendering was the only one I have seen that comes close to what is expected (actually, it looked dead on).
ah ah ah! Opera my man!